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Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 12:18:37 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Nearly 10,000 of the biggest donors to Republican candidates and causes across the country will probably receive a foreboding “warning” letter in the mail next week.
The rest of the story is at NY Times
My question to those of you who may donate money to GOP causes, from stopping abortion to gun-rights to anti-tax is: Will getting a letter with vague threats of legal consequences and/or people digging into your personal information scare you into ceasing donations?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 12:30:00 PM
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Nearly 10,000 of the biggest donors to Republican candidates and causes across the country will probably receive a foreboding “warning” letter in the mail next week.
The rest of the story is at NY Times
My question to those of you who may donate money to GOP causes, from stopping abortion to gun-rights to anti-tax is: Will getting a letter with vague threats of legal consequences and/or people digging into your personal information scare you into ceasing donations?
Just a question - if one were to contribute to "GOP" causes, how would this group get your name and address? Is there any way, other than the "GOP cause" giving it to them?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 12:39:51 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Donations to candidates must be reported by law. As to organizations, I assume Judd Legum, who has signed on as Research Director, has some methodology in mind for mining the data he needs to come up with his list.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 2:20:43 PM
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Donations to candidates must be reported by law. As to organizations, I assume Judd Legum, who has signed on as Research Director, has some methodology in mind for mining the data he needs to come up with his list.
Reported to whom?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 2:38:13 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Umm, the Federal Election Commission.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 2:49:56 PM
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Umm, the Federal Election Commission.
And how is the use of this information, in the manner described, in any way illegal, unethical, or immoral?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:00:14 PM
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And how is the use of this information, in the manner described, in any way illegal, unethical, or immoral?
There are already efforts underway to challenge the legality. I guess that's for a court of law to decide. Do you believe it's ethical and/or moral? What sort of intimidation could one engage in that would cross the moral and/or ethical line in your world?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:12:20 PM
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Hilarious siggy there.
I doubt this gets much traction. You can threaten all sorts of actions, but last I checked simple political donations are legal even when the activities of the organizations themselves are proven to be illegal. As long as no such activities were publically known at the time of the donation, I have trouble seeing that this group could ever be particularly effective.
I haven't given money to the GOP in years, but I wouldn't be bothered by this in the slightest. It's pretty hard to threaten people legally for pursuing legal activities.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:37:59 PM
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Hilarious siggy there.
I doubt this gets much traction. You can threaten all sorts of actions, but last I checked simple political donations are legal even when the activities of the organizations themselves are proven to be illegal. As long as no such activities were publically known at the time of the donation, I have trouble seeing that this group could ever be particularly effective.
I haven't given money to the GOP in years, but I wouldn't be bothered by this in the slightest. It's pretty hard to threaten people legally for pursuing legal activities.
My point exactly - where's the beef?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:45:14 PM
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I doubt this gets much traction. You can threaten all sorts of actions, but last I checked simple political donations are legal even when the activities of the organizations themselves are proven to be illegal. As long as no such activities were publically known at the time of the donation, I have trouble seeing that this group could ever be particularly effective.
I haven't given money to the GOP in years, but I wouldn't be bothered by this in the slightest. It's pretty hard to threaten people legally for pursuing legal activities.
Actually it's fairly easy - it's called a boycott.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:47:32 PM
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I doubt this gets much traction. You can threaten all sorts of actions, but last I checked simple political donations are legal even when the activities of the organizations themselves are proven to be illegal. As long as no such activities were publically known at the time of the donation, I have trouble seeing that this group could ever be particularly effective.
I haven't given money to the GOP in years, but I wouldn't be bothered by this in the slightest. It's pretty hard to threaten people legally for pursuing legal activities.
Actually it's fairly easy - it's called a boycott.
A tactic totally unconnected with what is suggested here. The subject is allegedly intimidating communications to donors to Republican candidates/issue-focus groups. Would you care to stick to the subject?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:47:32 PM
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Actually it's fairly easy - it's called a boycott.
True, but that's not what the article implied for their strategy. Also most companies really don't care if fringe elements decide to pursue boycotts of their products/services.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:55:04 PM
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A tactic totally unconnected with what is suggested here. The subject is allegedly intimidating communications to donors to Republican candidates/issue-focus groups. Would you care to stick to the subject?
I was just pointing out that it isn't difficult to threaten people for legal activities. This group could easily conduct smear campaigns, harrass family and associates, bring bogus legal charges, hire investigators, etc.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:56:35 PM
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A tactic totally unconnected with what is suggested here. The subject is allegedly intimidating communications to donors to Republican candidates/issue-focus groups. Would you care to stick to the subject?
I was just pointing out that it isn't difficult to threaten people for legal activities. This group could easily conduct smear campaigns, harrass family and associates, bring bogus legal charges, hire investigators, etc.
Tactics totally unconnected with what is suggested here. The subject is allegedly intimidating communications to donors to Republican candidates/issue-focus groups. Would you care to stick to the subject?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 3:59:02 PM
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Tactics totally unconnected with what is suggested here. The subject is allegedly intimidating communications to donors to Republican candidates/issue-focus groups. Would you care to stick to the subject?
What do you think a "intimidating communication" is? A letter written in bold red color upper-case type?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:05:11 PM
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Would you care to stick to the subject?
Would you care to be a little less condescending, angry and hostile?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:09:39 PM
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Would you care to stick to the subject?
Would you care to be a little less condescending, angry and hostile?
A) Okay, "please stick to the actual subject of the thread"
B) Already been requested, with no attempt at a polite response.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:11:34 PM
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Tactics totally unconnected with what is suggested here. The subject is allegedly intimidating communications to donors to Republican candidates/issue-focus groups. Would you care to stick to the subject?
What do you think a "intimidating communication" is? A letter written in bold red color upper-case type?
The article identifies the expected nature of the allegedly intimidating communications.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:13:23 PM
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B) Already been requested, with no attempt at a polite response.
Ok, that's fine by me.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:13:24 PM
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The article identifies the expected nature of the allegedly intimidating communications.
Hey, I thought I was being ignored. What happened?
But the article only says rather cryptically that the group's plans include, "legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives." - that would seem to comport with what I said.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:19:47 PM
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Do I have to stop this car and come back there?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:20:19 PM
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A) Okay, "please stick to the actual subject of the thread"
Hey SwedishJCovenant are you bucking to be a moderator?
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:28:45 PM
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A) Okay, "please stick to the actual subject of the thread"
Hey SwedishJCovenant are you bucking to be a moderator?
Thanks
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I have no such desire.
All i want is for the staters of their opinions to be willing to (A) stick to the subject, not try to highjack the discussion to something unrelated (B) carry on a discussion instead of expecting to get away, unchallenged, with pontificating statements of dubious veracity.
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RE: Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors - 8/13/2008 4:37:18 PM
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carry on a discussion instead of expecting to get away, unchallenged, with pontificating statements of dubious veracity.
I believe this condition is generally reffered to as a visual occlusion caused by a radical wooden plank insertion.
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