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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/24/2008 10:04:39 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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At age 18 very few "young adults" have the mental/emotional maturity to behave responsiblywhenit comes to alcohol consumption. They think, "Hey, I'm legal- I can drink all I want!"
Most deaths for people in the 18-21 age group are from accidents and mostof those involve drinking.
Lowering the age limit will NOT reduce binge drinking amongst those 18-21.
I shudder to think what will happen on the roads if these kids can legally get their hands on booze.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 12:03:26 AM
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When I was 18 I drank and did drugs to "get a date".
Maybe the way to stop binge drinking would be to legalize prostitution?
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 2:45:57 AM
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PaleHawkWoman
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When I was 18 I drank and did drugs to "get a date".
Maybe the way to stop binge drinking would be to legalize prostitution?
Dude, you are seriously warped!
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 8:07:42 AM
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A lot of kids are becoming alcoholics by the time they finish the middle school years so I don't think age is much of a factor in aiding or deterring them from drinking. Availability and what they see modeled from parent's and peers are huge factors that influence their decisions.
I personally think a better way to reduce drinking stats is stop offering it at gas stations, within 10 miles of a college campus and esp. stop allowing ads during programs and sporting events.
We glamorize it on tv and then wonder why it's a problem. Think for a moment about how many such ads a child has seen by the time they are 12.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 8:32:22 AM
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At age 18 very few "young adults" have the mental/emotional maturity to behave responsibly when it comes to alcohol consumption. They think, "Hey, I'm legal- I can drink all I want!"
Most deaths for people in the 18-21 age group are from accidents and mostof those involve drinking.
Lowering the age limit will NOT reduce binge drinking amongst those 18-21.
I shudder to think what will happen on the roads if these kids can legally get their hands on booze.
I most certainly agree.
That's the exact reason I think that the minimum enlistment age should be 21.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 9:40:19 AM
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At age 18 very few "young adults" have the mental/emotional maturity to behave responsibly when it comes to alcohol consumption. They think, "Hey, I'm legal- I can drink all I want!"
Most deaths for people in the 18-21 age group are from accidents and mostof those involve drinking.
Lowering the age limit will NOT reduce binge drinking amongst those 18-21.
I shudder to think what will happen on the roads if these kids can legally get their hands on booze.
I most certainly agree.
That's the exact reason I think that the minimum enlistment age should be 21.
I think the problem is self perpetuating. If you treat a late teen or early twenty something the same way as you treat a fifteen or sixteen year old then they will act accordingly. Give them the responsibility earlier and they'll figure out how to handle it without extending their childhood into their early twenties.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 1:37:50 PM
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I am skeptical that it would actually reduce binge drinking. I personally don't think having the drinking age at 21 makes sense to begin with. Our kids can be in the military at age 18 and be given a gun and shipped off to Iraq, yet at the same time they cannot buy a beer? I still remember a kid from our church who was 19 and killed in Iraq--that was perfectly okay, yet if he had been caught drinking, he could get in trouble. There is no logic in that.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 1:49:20 PM
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I think the drinking age should be 18.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 1:51:02 PM
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I got another idea, let's give 14 year olds driver's licenses and see if traffic accidents go down.
I got my first license at 13 in my state.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 1:57:13 PM
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I think that an age limit of 21 simply delays the maturity of otherwise fully developed (albeit less experienced) adults. Reducing the age limit would, I believe, allow people to get to grips with the responsibility earlier but would not neccasarily reduce the magnitude of binge drinking by nearly/newly legal drinkers.
If 18 year-olds can vote, join the armed forces and sign contracts, they should be allowed to have the same rights and responsibilities with alcohol.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 2:19:52 PM
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I am skeptical that it would actually reduce binge drinking. I personally don't think having the drinking age at 21 makes sense to begin with. Our kids can be in the military at age 18 and be given a gun and shipped off to Iraq, yet at the same time they cannot buy a beer? I still remember a kid from our church who was 19 and killed in Iraq--that was perfectly okay, yet if he had been caught drinking, he could get in trouble. There is no logic in that.
I agree. It does not make sense. If someone can be considered an adult for military service, then certainly they should be an adult for all other purposes.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 3:02:27 PM
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At age 18 very few "young adults" have the mental/emotional maturity to behave responsiblywhenit comes to alcohol consumption. They think, "Hey, I'm legal- I can drink all I want!"
Most deaths for people in the 18-21 age group are from accidents and mostof those involve drinking.
Lowering the age limit will NOT reduce binge drinking amongst those 18-21.
I shudder to think what will happen on the roads if these kids can legally get their hands on booze.
Do you have a source for your stats?
Here's one about traffic fatalities:
Safety belts and air bags saved about 18,000 lives in 2004, while the legal drinking age saved less than 2,000, according to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 8:07:37 PM
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bzirk
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That's exactly why I think the college presidents are for it. The way things are now, it's a potential liability issue for colleges.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 9:01:53 PM
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Does anyone have an idea if there is a problem with binge drinking in Utah: a state that should be heavily influenced by Mormon doctrine?
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 9:19:40 PM
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Does anyone have an idea if there is a problem with binge drinking in Utah: a state that should be heavily influenced by Mormon doctrine?
According to THIS, Utah has the lowest binge drinking rate, and North Dakota has the highest.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 9:21:48 PM
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I think lowering the drinking age would most likely just make binge drinking legal. It's not just about age. It's directly related to leaving home to go to college...kind of a rite of passage to move away and party like you're an adult. I think that's why so many university presidents are on board--it's a lot easier to have a bunch of drunk 18-year-olds on campus that are legally drunk. You automatically get rid of half your problem.
The flip side is that if it's legal, the school could try to manage the drinking and the atmosphere/environment into one that is safer and possibly less prone to excess.
-Dan.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 9:24:30 PM
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bzirk
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Interesting article.
Here's another article on that site that addresses college drinking:
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/college/a/casa070315.htm
You make a good point, Dan.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 10:50:00 PM
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Maybe we should raise the age to join the military to 21. Or have special privileges for military personnel under 21.
Most importantly, something must be done to change the binge culture. Every year college students die from alcohol poisoning, and some are under age. There is a maturity issue that needs to be considered.
I also believe separate age limits for beer/wine and alcohol may be in order. Lower alcohol beverages at 18 or 19, higher at 21. And maybe a stamp on a drivers permit that shows the person has graduated high school. No diploma, no alcohol.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 11:01:57 PM
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...and how many college students use drugs? Lets legalize them too.
How many college students go on sex binges? Lets legalize rape too...afterall, students cannot be RESPONSIBLE for their own actions..can they?
That is why the drinking age is 21. So people can be a little more mature when they engage in activities that could possibly, if handled irresponsibly, cause trouble, they will be able to cope with it in a more resaponsible manner.
Agreed. What makes one believe that college students will act more responsibly towards drinking once the age is lowered? We have seen many lists of America's top party colleges. How many more will step up to the plate and try to be number one once the age limit is dropped?
Have we not seen enough of our daughters in "Girls Gone Wild" videos to realize this is not a good choice? How many more drunk breasts are we going to see at Mardi Gras once the age limit is lowered?
For every college girl that wants to get wasted, there are many more men that want to take advantage of them. Let's lower the drinking age and let's lower the inhibitions too.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 11:19:17 PM
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If the military base is outside the US, the commander gets to set the drinking age on base.
I do not think those serving in the military are being deprived of anything.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/25/2008 11:29:49 PM
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At age 18 very few "young adults" have the mental/emotional maturity to behave responsiblywhenit comes to alcohol consumption. They think, "Hey, I'm legal- I can drink all I want!"
Most deaths for people in the 18-21 age group are from accidents and mostof those involve drinking.
Lowering the age limit will NOT reduce binge drinking amongst those 18-21.
I shudder to think what will happen on the roads if these kids can legally get their hands on booze.
Do you have a source for your stats?
Here's one about traffic fatalities:
Safety belts and air bags saved about 18,000 lives in 2004, while the legal drinking age saved less than 2,000, according to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
You do know that the source you posted is by the "Choose Responsibility", the same group who is behind the manifesto from the OP's link? Not exactly an unbiased source.
A few points to ponder:
- Among male drivers between 15 and 20 years of age who were involved in fatal crashes in 2005, 38% were speeding at the time of the crash and 24% had been drinking
- At all levels of blood alcohol concentration (BAC), the risk of involvement in a motor vehicle crash is greater for teens than for older drivers.
- In 2005, 23% of drivers ages 15 to 20 who died in motor vehicle crashes had a BAC of 0.08 g/dl or higher
- In 2005, three out of four teen drivers killed in motor vehicle crashes after drinking and driving were not wearing a seat belt.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/teenmvh.htm#how%20big%20is%20problem
There aren't enough teen deaths so let's up the ante and increase the number of impaired drivers on the road.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/26/2008 12:02:43 AM
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PaleHawkWoman
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At age 18 very few "young adults" have the mental/emotional maturity to behave responsiblywhenit comes to alcohol consumption. They think, "Hey, I'm legal- I can drink all I want!"
Most deaths for people in the 18-21 age group are from accidents and mostof those involve drinking.
Lowering the age limit will NOT reduce binge drinking amongst those 18-21.
I shudder to think what will happen on the roads if these kids can legally get their hands on booze.
Do you have a source for your stats?
Here's one about traffic fatalities:
Safety belts and air bags saved about 18,000 lives in 2004, while the legal drinking age saved less than 2,000, according to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Dept of Transportation web site. Of course, you can spend a weekend in any emergency room, especially close to college campuses, and collect your own stats. In addition to the alcohol-related accidents, there are cases of alcohol poisoning, etc.
I realize some people think that if you can go into the military or vote at age 18 you should be able to drink, but voting doesn't get you killed or cause you to kill others. Going into the service, you are NOT allowed to drink while on duty, period, and off-time activities are supposed to be very strictly monitored so that over-indulgence is not a problem. And anyone who makes it thru basic has already grown up a few years within that 8 wks time.
So let's compromise- if you are in the military, you can drink at age 18.
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RE: Will lowering the drinking age reduce binge drinking? - 8/26/2008 4:41:10 AM
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I doubt the idea of a seperate drinking age for military personnel would fly and rightly so. In my experience being in the military did not automatically make me any more or less responsible than many of my civvy mates. I think its a common misconception that those who choose to serve in the military are any more "grown up" than those that don't.
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