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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 8:22:05 AM
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blue1914
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Nah. Every election cycle, more and more conservatives consider voting third party or staying at home. I myself may well have done so without this pick. McCain needs to convince conservatives.
You're also seriously underestimating her, I think. She has experience and a message and that will come out in the campaigning and in the debate. I think people will be surprised.
You may be correct-so far, the media has been a little easier on her than I thought they would have-don't get me wrong, they are getting in their jabs and they are getting progressively more intense, especially hammering away at the experience argument, but all in all they are "easing" her into what I assume will reach a fever pitch in the near future. If they keep up this pace and she has time to adapt to the style of attack (and has a chance to get her own desired image out there), she might have a fighting chance on the national stage.
The Sunday political shows will be interesting to watch and the prominence she is given at the convention may help position her in the mind of the American voter as well, though again, if it goes completely the other way (which the media is showing could be a distinct possbility) this could be the deciding factor which loses the election for Mr. McCain.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 8:39:51 AM
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No one has any solid ground to stand on anymore, because they've already annihilated that ground in attacking their opponents in the past, so we're all just frantically running in mid air like one of those old Road Runner cartoons, not realizing that the cliff beneath our feet has already crumbled away.
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Fox News analyst Laura Ingaram(sp?) just asked why haven't the feminists spoken up for the "attacks" on Palin. Imagine if everytime The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler was criticized, some news pundit called for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to lead protests accusing his critics of racism? Nope. If you're a supporter of The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler, you have to be careful as to not even IMPLY that something someone says can possibly be conscrued as the "r" word, or else you're accused of playing the race card. But watch. With Palin, the gender card will be played daily, shamelessly, without fear of repercussions.
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This isn't about getting the Hilary supporters. This was about getting "US"! Why would a pro-abortion woman support McCain? He's already stated he's pro-life and will appoint conservative judges. I doubt any feminist was going over to McCain's side.
Yeah right. This is nothing more than a shameless attempt to manipulate disgruntled Hillary supporters into crossing over. I've listened to some of these ladies and a lot of them could care less about issues, they just want a woman for president. I feel sorry for Gov. Palin in a way, because she's being held out as bait, a shield - say one negative thing about her, and they'll unleash not only the gender card, but the entire gender deck. Remember how Obama and the press did poor Hillary? Well, it's because they hate ALL women. The only way to teach them a lesson, and to finish Hillary's work by breaking the glass ceiling, is to vote for McCain-Palin. "I am woman, hear me ROAR!!"
Oh, by the way. For those of you who think he did this to get Christian conservatives - Newsflash!! - He already HAD you! The GOP gets 80 percent of the conservative Christian vote without even trying.
All this said, I believe it's brilliant strategy and it's going to work. Think about it: When Biden or The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler criticizes the war in Iraq, Palin will mention with a cracked voice and a tear in her eye, her son who is serving proudly there. Applause, Cheers, Screams. Then she'll talk about her Down's syndrome child, who she didn't consider a "punishment". (Roaring, standing ovation). She's the perfect attack dog. Or should I say, attack cat. She can claw and scratch Biden and The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler unmercilessly and not worry about those mean old men responding in kind.
Oh yeah, and did I mention she's hot?
So there's the additional factor/risk of having a black man attack an attractive white woman. The O.J. factor, if you will. The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler and his evil sidekick are both handcuffed and they know it.
I say again, absolutely brilliant.
Game over.
McCain wins at least 40 states now.
- Julius
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 8:59:53 AM
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There are some things to consider about Palin.
She is unknown (unless of course you are a political junkie)
The average American has not heard of her.
She has little experience.
Politics and power corrupt.
Most all politicians enter politics with a doe eyed fantasy of being the one to change the world and make it a better place.
If that were truly happening then the world would be a better place.
It's simply a matter of time with this woman, as it is with all politicians.
Neither candidate for President, even with their VP picks, strikes me as a good leader.
Either one will lead this country into further decline.
The bottom line, is which one will lead it slower....
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:06:18 AM
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Oh, by the way. For those of you who think he did this to get Christian conservatives - Newsflash!! - He already HAD you! The GOP gets 80 percent of the conservative Christian vote without even trying.
So now he'll get 99% instead of 80%. That's pretty significant.
As for those who asked if we felt comfortable having her if President if anything happened to McCain, my answer would be YES! I'd rather have her be President than McCain.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:06:50 AM
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Wow save! What a post!
Your on a roll but I don't think it was brilliant.
While I like her I don't know if she is ready for the pressure cooker she is entering.
She is more like middle,working class America than any of them up there.
She's smart,tough,values family,straight talking,hunter,loves the outdoors,guns etc. etc.. And yep she looks good too. What's not to like? But is she ready to be president of the UNited States? A heart beat away!
That said.
I do nk she'll eat Obama and Biden's lunch over federal oversight/influence of state and local issues..
We'll see who's in touch with the folks from small town,anytown America.
We have to pay alot of attention over the next few weeks.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:19:59 AM
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She's smart,tough,values family,straight talking,hunter,loves the outdoors,guns etc. etc.. And yep she looks good too. What's not to like?
I hope you were being sarcastic. If that's all we want in a president, what does that say about our country?
- Julius
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:23:31 AM
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As for those who asked if we felt comfortable having her if President if anything happened to McCain, my answer would be YES! I'd rather have her be President than McCain.
Of course you would.
- Julius
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:30:20 AM
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She's smart,tough,values family,straight talking,hunter,loves the outdoors,guns etc. etc.. And yep she looks good too. What's not to like?
I hope you were being sarcastic. If that's all we want in a president, what does that say about our country?
- Julius
As opposed to a good talker with no substance?
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:34:28 AM
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In thy site,
The woman was a beauty queen and a journalism wanna be. Yes, she may be a beautiful woman, however, you cannot get buy with looks and unfortnatly, many of our young women are taught that instead of getting by with intellegence and having a brain. I can give her this though, she is very knowlegable on issues. [/font]
Come on Gayle, you are better than this. She owned and operated a commercial fishing business. She didn't get by on looks for that job. That is one nasty smelly job with lots of blood and guts.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:39:58 AM
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Consecrated2God
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In thy site,
The woman was a beauty queen and a journalism wanna be. Yes, she may be a beautiful woman, however, you cannot get buy with looks and unfortnatly, many of our young women are taught that instead of getting by with intellegence and having a brain. I can give her this though, she is very knowlegable on issues. [/font]
Come on Gayle, you are better than this. She owned and operated a commercial fishing business. She didn't get by on looks for that job. That is one nasty smelly job with lots of blood and guts.
That is a nasty job. I went to Alaska when I was sixteen to stay with my grandma for a summer, and I was planning on working at a fish factory while I was there. I chickened out after I smelled the place and ended up working at a tourist shop instead. I don't think I've ever smelled anything worse.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:52:40 AM
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She's smart,tough,values family,straight talking, hunter,loves the outdoors,guns etc. etc.. And yep she looks good too. What's not to like?
I hope you were being sarcastic. If that's all we want in a president, what does that say about our country?
- Julius
The first four on that list are adequate to be President. The rest is a really nice bonus!
Seriously, I don't think I've ever been as stoked about any candidate as I am with her!
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 9:55:33 AM
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I don't see what Palin brings to the ticket at all. I'm baffled.
She's been working with the major players in energy policy. Who do you think she dealt with negotiating the $26 billion dollar TransCanada pipeline to bring natural gas from the North Slope to the lower 48? What is the biggest issue we are dealing with at the moment after the war on terror? ENERGY
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:02:02 AM
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Oh, by the way. For those of you who think he did this to get Christian conservatives - Newsflash!! - He already HAD you! The GOP gets 80 percent of the conservative Christian vote without even trying.
He may have had the Religious Right...but they were holding their noses.
Now they have their Messiah too.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:06:52 AM
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Education: Bachelors, University of Idaho
Political Experieince:
Wasilla City Town Counsel 1992-96
Wasilla Mayer 1996-2002
Chair Woman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission 2003-04
Alaska Governor 2007-Present
....not even two years as governor.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:11:02 AM
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McCain wins at least 40 states now.
Wasn't he winning 40 states before in your estimation (usually expressed in the negative, as in Obama won't win more than ten states). Did I stumble on the point?
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I laugh and shake my head every time I see that. I get your point but that's alot of typing to poke fun at some conservatives.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:19:15 AM
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Education: Bachelors, University of Idaho
Political Experieince:
Wasilla City Town Counsel 1992-96
Wasilla Mayer 1996-2002
Chair Woman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission 2003-04
Alaska Governor 2007-Present
....not even two years as governor.
From what little I have read about Gov. Palin, she seems to be an admirable person, and have done some very good things like fighting corruption in the Republican party in Alaska (which takes a lot of courage to do against the entrenched power in your party when you're a political novice).
But you've hit on the big issue: how much 'experience' is enough to be president? We've been (rightly) asking that question about Obama, but she has much less even than he. I really have to question if she has enough experience yet, and should get some more experience under her belt as governor or at the national level before she's that close to being the most powerful person in the world.
Its a fair question to ask: Is there a miminal amount of experience you have to have to be an effective president? How much is that?
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:23:16 AM
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But you've hit on the big issue: how much 'experience' is enough to be president? We've been (rightly) asking that question about Obama, but she has much less even than he. I really have to question if she has enough experience yet, and should get some more experience under her belt as governor or at the national level before she's that close to being the most powerful person in the world.
Yes, I'm trying to imagine President McCain sending his Vice President on a foreign trip to Moscow. Then again, he would not necessarily need to use her in that role...in fact, what role would she play in a McCain presidency?
After eight years of the VP Cheney calling the shots (foreign policy), we all might need to adjust our expectations....
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:27:44 AM
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Its a fair question to ask: Is there a miminal amount of experience you have to have to be an effective president? How much is that?
It is a question the voters will answer in November.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:34:59 AM
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I was a little worried about my state (Indiana) going democrat this year back when it looked like Bayh was going to be the VP pick for Obama. Now that he's picked Biden and McCain has a solid conservative VP I think Indiana will remain a red state. I've heard a lot of not-so-nice talk about McCain around here. Most of the people I've talked to were still very up in the air about who they were going to vote for, and considering not voting at all. This is going to change everything. People are excited about the race now. People who before were saying they'd rather vote third party than vote for McCain are now planning on voting for McCain just because of Sarah Palin. He didn't firmly have the republicans in his court--now he does. There will still be some that won't vote for McCain, but most will.
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:43:05 AM
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I was a little worried about my state (Indiana) going democrat this year back when it looked like Bayh was going to be the VP pick for Obama. Now that he's picked Biden and McCain has a solid conservative VP I think Indiana will remain a red state. I've heard a lot of not-so-nice talk about McCain around here. Most of the people I've talked to were still very up in the air about who they were going to vote for, and considering not voting at all. This is going to change everything. People are excited about the race now. People who before were saying they'd rather vote third party than vote for McCain are now planning on voting for McCain just because of Sarah Palin. He didn't firmly have the republicans in his court--now he does. There will still be some that won't vote for McCain, but most will.
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I'm curious why social consatives would be energized by this.. Given that Vice Presidents historically have very little sway (other than Dick Cheney of course), why does this make a big difference to them? Gov. Palin is not in McCain's circle of trusted advisors (and from what has been reported has only met him a few times). Do social conservatives see this as an indication that McCain is either really one of them, or has changed his stripes to be one? Or, do the think Gov. Palin will be significantly influencing him for the better?
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RE: Are You Ready for President Palin? - 8/30/2008 10:43:54 AM
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It's really quite frightening and incredibly sad to see how many conservatives are willing to sacrifice national security and willing to sacrifice the future of their children in an attempt to create some sort of man-made theocracy with Sarah Palin. It's unfortunate that McCain has sold what little soul he has left after his attack campaigns to the far right in order to win an election.
If the democrats had selected an unexperienced, unknown, candidate that Obama had only met and spoken with ONCE, conservatives would be [rightly] attacking Obama's wisdom and judgment. Would you hire a CEO for a major corporation with less than 2 years of experience or hire a contractor to build your home who is still interning?
I guess all conservatives need to know is that Sarah Palin is pro-life and anti-gay and all reason goes out the window. I can't believe how many are salivating at the thought of having Roe v. Wade overturned in the next four years! Maybe the Bush/Cheney/Fox News batch of grape juice was particularly lethal. Only goes to prove my point that conservativism has nothing to do with Christianity.
Obama may not be an ideal candidate but he has proven time and time again that his judgement is far better than the Bush/Cheney/McCain legacy. If we are unfortunate enough to end up with the McCain/Palin disaster, I for one will be moving my family to safety elsewhere and continue to pray for the what's left of the United States.
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