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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 6:03:38 AM
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tracydolls
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The candidates families always get up on stage. They are experiencing part of history after all. It is not anything near the same thing as a fake grassroots Hollywood production of a "spontaneous" song of praise by unknown children. The family members did not break out in "spontaneous" songs of praise and adoration. Now Piper did lick her hand and smooth down Trig's hair during the convention. How conniving that was.
The boyfriend is not the family.
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BTW, do you ever have any other issues besides race and poverty?
Do you have ANY issues?
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 7:27:00 AM
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StephK
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Here is the link to the original article.
http://media.www.smithsophian.com/media/storage/paper587/news/2008/09/18/Opinions/i.Will.Follow.Him.Obama.As.My.Personal.Jesus-3440311.shtml
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This girl has gone and drunk the koolaid.... 
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"I Will Follow Him": Obama As My Personal Jesus"
Obama is my homeboy. And I'm not saying that because he's black - I'm saying that in reference to those Urban Outfitters t-shirts from a couple years ago that said, "Jesus is my homeboy." Yes, I just said it. Obama is my Jesus.
While you may be overtly religious and find this to be idol-worshipping, or may be overtly politically correct and just know that everything in that sentence could be found offensive, I'm afraid it's true anyway.
As with many spiritual enlightenments, mine came in the middle of a bleak, hopeless period of my life. The innocent, idealistic world of politics that had shaped my childhood, the one that taught me how the president is a good guy, one who makes you feel safe, gives a speech on TV every once in a while and one you'd feel honored to shake hands with, had been slowly whittled into a deep rooted cynicism to anything politically related.
The crush of the Bush victory over Gore was only the first mar on my previously consummate ideal of the American administration. And the tragedies just kept continuing: Bush's response to the Sept.11 attacks, the invasion of Iraq, the tax cuts for the rich, the downward spiral continued squashing my scant hope that the political world and state of our country could be saved.
Then I found my miracle. Stumbling through my hopeless world, afraid to turn to anyone with my political questions of morality, my concerns about the afterlife of the country I called home, a voice spoke to me.
The link I put in was to the printer friendly article.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 9:49:13 AM
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letusreason
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There were 22 childeren in the choir. There were supposed to be 33, but 11 were aborted.
We're gonna spread dismemberment
We're gonna spread disembowlement
Obama's gonna slice 'em
Obama's gonna dice 'em
I don't think painting Obama as an axe murderer helps your cause anyway.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:01:50 AM
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TMeeks
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Axe murderer? Sounded like they were referring to medical instrument murderer to me. Is the fact that murder is done with a pair of medical scissors or a scalpel any real difference from an axe?
The point I think that they were trying to make is that those children were able to live through, perhaps, the most statistically dangerous period of their lives... from conception to a day AFTER they were born. For, Obama is NOT for 'PEACE' and 'HAPPINESS' for EVERY CHILD... only those that escape abortion.
Many of us see the abortion process as anything but peaceful toward the unborn.
One does not have to even own an axe to be complicit with murder.
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There were 22 childeren in the choir. There were supposed to be 33, but 11 were aborted.
We're gonna spread dismemberment
We're gonna spread disembowlement
Obama's gonna slice 'em
Obama's gonna dice 'em
I don't think painting Obama as an axe murderer helps your cause anyway.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:17:34 AM
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Zhi
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The boyfriend is not the family.
He was the fiance at that point. I'd call that close enough.
What business is it of yours who they consider family?
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:21:25 AM
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adelphi_sky
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Get a grip. It's not that serious. At worst, it's a political stunt like pictures of old politicians kissing babies. At best, it's just another music video advocating one particular candidate.
Um, no - I have seen at least 8 presidential elections in my life and I have never seen anything like this. Get a load of these words.
We're gonna spread happiness
We're gonna spread freedom
Obama's gonna change it
Obama's gonna lead 'em
We're gonna change it
And rearrange it
We're gonna change the world.
I challenge any Obama supporter to point to an instance of this occuring previously; it is in fact Messianic, and that is scary.
And those kids in the video have the vapid look of those kids in the movie Village of the Damned; I half expect them to engage in some mind control against all who oppose them, flashing them with their eyes and causing McCain supporters to jump off of bridges and shoot themselves.
Too much coffee in your diet. :-) It's harmless. There have been songs written about people and political figures for centuries. We don't have to loose our religion over them. It's a positive song. Just because it's about one person doesn't mean it's idol worship or some wierd new cult. Would you rather the kids rap about bling and hoes? Or mimick Nelly Furtado? It's a theme song. About a theme. The theme is change in reference to the 2008 presidential campaign. Not a theme song to take over the world and lift up Obama as lord. It's not that serious. 1 year from now these kids won't even care about the video.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:26:21 AM
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Jhud
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There have been songs written about people and political figures for centuries.
I have only seen this done for Monarchs and dictators; though I am open to evidence that their have been children who were instructed to sing the praises of a Presidential candidate in our recent history.
But, it does seem typical of the mindlessness of the left and the Obama campaign, which is a movement largely driven by pathos.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:35:39 AM
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Are some of you implying that there should be no song written or sung about anyone but Christ? I understand that there are theological differences between denominations and faiths. I'm just a little confused because knowing this country's rich musical history, songs have been written about many things and many people. What's the uproar over a song about a presidential candidate sung by kids? I mean do you really think it will adversly affect their salvation over it? Do you think they will start to worship Obama? I can gurantee you it won't happen. There seems to be a lot of alarmists in this forum. Anything outside your worldview is shocking and horrifying. There's no room for understanding or acceptance. If it doesn't fir into your worldview , it's evil and demonic or somehow negative. Are there some things that go against basic Christian beliefs, of course. But I fail to think this is one of thiem. For those of you who are fearing global implications of Obama's administration, Bush changed the world too.It changed under our very noses. I'd argue it was for the better.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:42:18 AM
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StephK
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We have history on our side to see how this sort of indoctrination of children plays out. Considering who 0bama's mentors are it does raise some red flags.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:47:18 AM
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letusreason
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Are some of you implying that there should be no song written or sung about anyone but Christ? I understand that there are theological differences between denominations and faiths. I'm just a little confused because knowing this country's rich musical history, songs have been written about many things and many people. What's the uproar over a song about a presidential candidate sung by kids?
Well I think if Obama was on the same level as Mr. Bojangles or the Rubber Band Man, it would make more sense. They both accomplished something.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 10:50:13 AM
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Jhud
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Are some of you implying that there should be no song written or sung about anyone but Christ? I understand that there are theological differences between denominations and faiths. I'm just a little confused because knowing this country's rich musical history, songs have been written about many things and many people. What's the uproar over a song about a presidential candidate sung by kids? I mean do you really think it will adversly affect their salvation over it? Do you think they will start to worship Obama? I can gurantee you it won't happen. There seems to be a lot of alarmists in this forum. Anything outside your worldview is shocking and horrifying. There's no room for understanding or acceptance. If it doesn't fir into your worldview , it's evil and demonic or somehow negative. Are there some things that go against basic Christian beliefs, of course. But I fail to think this is one of thiem. For those of you who are fearing global implications of Obama's administration, Bush changed the world too.It changed under our very noses. I'd argue it was for the better.
There are several issues of concern:
- The children are being used as propoganda; cute children who have no ability to discern the issues are unquestioningly singing a song that says a candidate is going to bring 'happiness' and 'peace' and 'change the world', things that really have no place in an American election, and are more suited for the unwavering dedication of wards of a supreme state leader.
- American children should never be taught that human leaders have the ability to bring 'happiness' and 'peace'; our system of government is based on the notion that leaders are best when their power is limited by the structure of our government, and when a human leader is vested with such powers, he ceases to be an American leader.
- One has to be concerned with the people who produced this song; it obviously has a professional quality, which would seem to indicate some involvement of political and media professionals; this means that there are people connected to the Obama campaign are willing to have their leader depicted in this way, and it should frighten us that their are serious grown-ups who think this way about him.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/2/2008 11:26:36 AM
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Wow, that's a clever, insightful, and informative response! True to form. Thanks so much!
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BTW, do you ever have any other issues besides race and poverty?
Do you have ANY issues?
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/3/2008 3:02:44 PM
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LabGuy
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Man, I thought the little kids singing was scary, until I saw this.
What...on...Earth...
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RE: Left, as always, uses children to praise leader - 10/3/2008 3:27:31 PM
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Zhi
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That... really creeped me out.
Although I must admit that the comment "the nazis had better uniforms" caused me to snark my sprite.
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