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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/4/2008 11:23:37 AM
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Rufas2000
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Although I don't agree with the comments about Rove and Cheney...I don't think they'll really play into a McCain Admin
I was just giving examples of prominent Republicans who could help Palin through the rough spots. I have heard thar Rove is an informal advisor to McCain and I'm thinking Palin & Cheney would naturally have talks about the VP post and who knows, maybe he'll mentor her a bit. Just depends on how they hit it off.
I think McCain will assemble a crackerjack cabinet and that can do nothing but help Palin should she find herself as the President at some point.
Thanks for the kudos. I don't know how fair I was being, I really like Sarah Palin. Its just that I think she has some learnin' to do about foreign policy. But given a few months and she'll be OK. I would be similarly outraged if Obama or his "people" were subjected to a vicious attack like this.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/4/2008 11:26:27 AM
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Although I don't agree with the comments about Rove and Cheney...I don't think they'll really play into a McCain Admin
I was just giving examples of prominent Republicans who could help Palin through the rough spots. I have heard thar Rove is an informal advisor to McCain and I'm thinking Palin & Cheney would naturally have talks about the VP post and who knows, maybe he'll mentor her a bit. Just depends on how they hit it off.
I think McCain will assemble a crackerjack cabinet and that can do nothing but help Palin should she find herself as the President at some point.
Thanks for the kudos. I don't know how fair I was being, I really like Sarah Palin. Its just that I think she has some learnin' to do about foreign policy. But given a few months and she'll be OK. I would be similarly outraged if Obama or his "people" were subjected to a vicious attack like this.
I couldn't agree more. Although I'm conservative, right is right and I'd be against the same kind of viciousness if situation were reversed.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/4/2008 7:21:08 PM
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So you are willing to condemn such statement about Palin? Real issues you have plenty of threads to post.
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We're talking about a specific, and very horrible, comment made about Palin.
Wait, I'm confused - which comment is this? The one that said liberals would love her if she had an abortion? I've already explicity said that it's a ridiculous remark. Or are we talking about a different statement? Someone said something that seemed to cause a lot of offence, and I'm not sure I've followed exactly what that was. I'm fairly certain I didn't say it though!
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/4/2008 7:45:13 PM
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So you are willing to condemn such statement about Palin? Real issues you have plenty of threads to post.
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We're talking about a specific, and very horrible, comment made about Palin.
Wait, I'm confused - which comment is this? The one that said liberals would love her if she had an abortion? I've already explicity said that it's a ridiculous remark. Or are we talking about a different statement? Someone said something that seemed to cause a lot of offence, and I'm not sure I've followed exactly what that was. I'm fairly certain I didn't say it though!
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I think it was the comments by Sandra Bernhard.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/4/2008 8:00:27 PM
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I think it was the comments by Sandra Bernhard.
Heavens above! I jumped into this thread after the topic of the OP - in response to something else - and never saw that comment by Sandra Bernhard! That's as vile as it gets. I'm a fan of offensive comedy, but that comment was just plain sick and wrong. I hope no one thought that I endorsed it. And even the most fervent Obama voter can't welcome that comment - you'd have to have a grotesquely poor view of Palin to not be repulsed by it, which is something else altogether.
Glad that's cleared up now! Thanks to Dubya for drawing my attention - should have spotted it sooner though.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/4/2008 11:19:36 PM
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Heavens above! I jumped into this thread after the topic of the OP - in response to something else - and never saw that comment by Sandra Bernhard! That's as vile as it gets. I'm a fan of offensive comedy, but that comment was just plain sick and wrong. I hope no one thought that I endorsed it. And even the most fervent Obama voter can't welcome that comment - you'd have to have a grotesquely poor view of Palin to not be repulsed by it, which is something else altogether.
Glad that's cleared up now! Thanks to Dubya for drawing my attention - should have spotted it sooner though.
Kudos to you for intellectual honesty & fairness.
What may have confused you is that the comment wasn't referred to in the post itself but rather linked to. Just so you know, Crosswalk has a strict policy on language and on posting an entire article. Both were a possibe issue here so the OP provided a link within the text of his post (denoted in blue). Again, that may have been why you were not aware of the comment under discussion.
I'm not sure if you were aware but I figured it was possible you weren't. Many other boards I've been to have very light restrictions (or enforcement of said restrictions) on republishing articles and language.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/6/2008 11:41:04 PM
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Because a woman can do things besides stay at home chained to the stove and still be a good mother?
The Proverbs 31 woman runs a successful business while being a mother and a wife.
If you are concerned primarily about Trig, consider this: As the son of the second most powerful person int he world, he will have potentially unlimited access to the finest medical care available, as well as Secret Service protection.
Gov. Palin isn't moving to Mars when she becomes VP. She will still be with the kids, and the children will still have a solid full-time father and an excellent extended family.
i would argue that prov 31 says nothing about being gone for days at a time with a tiny nursing baby at home...
the scripture says mothers should raise their children , and men should work...
proverbs 31 has to be in harmony with those scriptures, not just be a license to put business first.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 12:53:44 AM
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So you are willing to condemn such statement about Palin? Real issues you have plenty of threads to post.
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We're talking about a specific, and very horrible, comment made about Palin.
Wait, I'm confused - which comment is this? The one that said liberals would love her if she had an abortion? I've already explicity said that it's a ridiculous remark. Or are we talking about a different statement? Someone said something that seemed to cause a lot of offence, and I'm not sure I've followed exactly what that was. I'm fairly certain I didn't say it though!
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Liberals have brought us a world where 90% or so of the people with Down's Syndrome are hunted down and murdered before their birth. Liberals hate the presence of people like Trig Palin because it reveals how mean and nasty they are.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 3:11:40 AM
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If she said it (she denies it), yes it was vile. But did you know that John McCain has told jokes about rape too?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/sources-recall-mccains-jo_n_112955.html
(be warned, it's just as vile).
Of course, he told this following gem in public just 10 years ago:
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"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."
Vile?? Pretty much. Chelsea Clinton was only just 18 at the time.
And if you think that liberals somehow have cornered the market in disgusting humor, then I really do think you're fooling yourselves. From the sampling I've heard throughout my life (not exactly something I go looking for) then conservatives are just as culpable as a rule. A taste in dirty jokes does not discriminate.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 4:05:53 AM
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Unfortunately, there is a double standard when it comes to politics. Everyone slings mud, but no one takes responsibilty. I feel if you can't win an election without slinging mud, you should choose a different profession. We all have skeletons in the closest, but they usually don't reflect who we are today.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 6:00:13 AM
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Liberals have brought us a world where 90% or so of the people with Down's Syndrome are hunted down and murdered before their birth. Liberals hate the presence of people like Trig Palin because it reveals how mean and nasty they are.
This is ridiculous. When it comes to abortion, I'm certainly liberal, and to suggest that people like me hate the presence of Trig Palin is unadulterated nonsense. Have you ever met a liberal who says he hates kids with Down's Syndrome? Probably not. You're doing your best to give conservatives a bad name.
I could say to you that your pro-life position means you love it when 12 year old girls have their lives ruined by being forced to bring up their own father's baby, which they conceived in horrific circumstances and were forced to carry. But I know that's not true, so I won't accuse you of that. I'd appreciated if you afforded me something similar.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 9:13:53 AM
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[If you are concerned primarily about Trig, consider this: As the son of the second most powerful person int he world, he will have potentially unlimited access to the finest medical care available, as well as Secret Service protection.
Lucky for Trig. And if a Republican gets into office once again (which I don't see happening) we can glory in the fact that those who are so well positioned in this life can get the best medical care available while the majority of the world waits for bread crumbs.
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Gov. Palin isn't moving to Mars when she becomes VP.
True. Based on her lack of intelligible answers to direct questions she is coming to Earth from Mars.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 10:45:43 AM
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I don't know if any one caught the comments of Sandra Bernhard about Sarah Palin that was breifly in the news this morning. I can't imagine anyone making those comments, much less another woman. Strangely enough her advocating violence against women while doing a benefit for a women's shelter.
Obama's supporters
You notice what was said was so vile that I didn't list it in the post. My first instinct was to blast Sandra Bernhard but realized she needs prayer. I am really sadden the lengths some people go because someone doesn't have their view. I did noticed the the news source toned down what said "g#ng r#p#.
Gee. Is that so much different than the vileness against Obama? What's the alarm? Where's the thread about the same for Obama? Ohhhhh. That's right. It's okay to call him everything under the sun but not Palin. I get it now. 
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 11:24:23 AM
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Gee. Is that so much different than the vileness against Obama? What's the alarm? Where's the thread about the same for Obama? Ohhhhh. That's right. It's okay to call him everything under the sun but not Palin. I get it now.
No, let's be fair - I'm a staunch Obama supporter myself, but Bernhard's comments were beyond the pale. I'm sure some disgusting things have been said about Obama by McCain supporters, both public and private, but that should never excuse us from calling Bernhard's comments exactly what they are. Sure, in the eyes of folks round here Palin can do nothing wrong, while Obama is a national disgrace. But what Bernhard said is sick regardless of anything, and from a political perspective, allows Republicans to attack the Democrats for something they haven't done.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 11:32:29 AM
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Gee. Is that so much different than the vileness against Obama? What's the alarm? Where's the thread about the same for Obama? Ohhhhh. That's right. It's okay to call him everything under the sun but not Palin. I get it now.
No, let's be fair - I'm a staunch Obama supporter myself, but Bernhard's comments were beyond the pale. I'm sure some disgusting things have been said about Obama by McCain supporters, both public and private, but that should never excuse us from calling Bernhard's comments exactly what they are. Sure, in the eyes of folks round here Palin can do nothing wrong, while Obama is a national disgrace. But what Bernhard said is sick regardless of anything, and from a political perspective, allows Republicans to attack the Democrats for something they haven't done.
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I'm not defending her comments. They are vile. This is not about fair. I'm questioning the alarm. Equally vile things have been said about Obama. Why have they not gotten a thread? Not important? Oh. He's not a woman. I man can be called anything, but a woman, well, that's cruel. But wait, we want women to have equal treatment do we not? Yet, we still treat them differently. Interesting. Again, I'm not advocating slander or name calling and some of us know Sandra says anything she wants to, my point is, why is it so important that it needed to be posted when Obama has been treated with the same vile. We're all informed. We know what is said about every candidate. If we're exposing vileness, let's expose it all.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 12:34:51 PM
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Liberals have brought us a world where 90% or so of the people with Down's Syndrome are hunted down and murdered before their birth. Liberals hate the presence of people like Trig Palin because it reveals how mean and nasty they are.
This is ridiculous. When it comes to abortion, I'm certainly liberal, and to suggest that people like me hate the presence of Trig Palin is unadulterated nonsense. Have you ever met a liberal who says he hates kids with Down's Syndrome? Probably not. You're doing your best to give conservatives a bad name.
I could say to you that your pro-life position means you love it when 12 year old girls have their lives ruined by being forced to bring up their own father's baby, which they conceived in horrific circumstances and were forced to carry. But I know that's not true, so I won't accuse you of that. I'd appreciated if you afforded me something similar.
You've previously stated your cruel indifference toward the preborn. 50 million dead since Death Roe and liberals still haven't had enough. The truth is that there is no number large enough that liberals will have their lust for the lives of the unborn satisfied. There is nothing so horrific done in the name of abortion that liberals would not defend it. These are the people who openly mourned the loss of a make-believe right to suck a baby's brains out.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 4:29:57 PM
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You've previously stated your cruel indifference toward the preborn. 50 million dead since Death Roe and liberals still haven't had enough. The truth is that there is no number large enough that liberals will have their lust for the lives of the unborn satisfied. There is nothing so horrific done in the name of abortion that liberals would not defend it. These are the people who openly mourned the loss of a make-believe right to suck a baby's brains out.
Haven't had enough? I actually wonder if you're deluded enough to think that liberals get a kick out of abortions happening. You think they - or we - have lust for killing the unborn? No. All we want is choice for the mother - the freedom to choose. You can dress up my position in the ugliest language you can possibly concoct, but I'll continue to state the importance of choice with pride.
And I'd kindly refer you to the post where I explicitly said that I would not defend the view that it's wrong for doctors to try and save the life of a foetus that was intended to be aborted. Please bother to read my posts before talking the nonsense you put in your penultimate sentence. Thank you.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 5:09:11 PM
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Haven't had enough? I actually wonder if you're deluded enough to think that liberals get a kick out of abortions happening. You think they - or we - have lust for killing the unborn? No. All we want is choice for the mother - the freedom to choose. You can dress up my position in the ugliest language you can possibly concoct, but I'll continue to state the importance of choice with pride.
I do think there are some people who are truly pro abortion and do take pleasure in every aborted child. I don't think that describes the majority of the pro abortion rights movement and Ill take your word that it doesn't describe you. And I wouldn't accuse anyone specifically of it unless I had proof.
But I cannot and will not make a distinction between a baby growing inside the womb and a baby growing outside of it. No one should be able to choose to kill an innocent baby, or anyone except in self defense.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 5:23:40 PM
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What Sandra Bernhard said was thoroughly disgusting but I find it just as disgusting as people calling Obama a terrorist or the anti-Christ!
I don't like Palin because of her inexperience, her self-righteousness and her policies (yet to be fully named). But I wish nothing but the best for her and her family even if that doesn't include being the VP!
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 5:46:24 PM
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I'm confused.
If you want to make a post about some of the terrible and vile things said about Obama, by all means do so and I'll most likely be there saying "yeah, that's a horrible thing to say, shame on them" in that post as well.
Just because there's a post about Palin regarding something horrible said about her doesn't mean you can't make one about Obama as well.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 6:24:37 PM
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You've previously stated your cruel indifference toward the preborn. 50 million dead since Death Roe and liberals still haven't had enough. The truth is that there is no number large enough that liberals will have their lust for the lives of the unborn satisfied. There is nothing so horrific done in the name of abortion that liberals would not defend it. These are the people who openly mourned the loss of a make-believe right to suck a baby's brains out.
Haven't had enough? I actually wonder if you're deluded enough to think that liberals get a kick out of abortions happening. You think they - or we - have lust for killing the unborn? No. All we want is choice for the mother - the freedom to choose. You can dress up my position in the ugliest language you can possibly concoct, but I'll continue to state the importance of choice with pride.
And I'd kindly refer you to the post where I explicitly said that I would not defend the view that it's wrong for doctors to try and save the life of a foetus that was intended to be aborted. Please bother to read my posts before talking the nonsense you put in your penultimate sentence. Thank you.
You're confined to a world where honest, frank, plain spoken language is forbidden. Choice is nothing more than a euphemism for slaughter. But it is out of necessity. "I'll continue to state the importance of dismembering babies with pride," doesn't go over so well so you have to resort to deception.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 6:35:48 PM
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a successful, smart, mother of five who has conservative values...
If Sarah Palin was a successful, smart, mother of five who has liberal values... WHEW! She would have been on Oprah, on the cover of every mainstream media outlet, etc...
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 6:54:31 PM
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a successful, smart, mother of five who has conservative values...
If Sarah Palin was a successful, smart, mother of five who has liberal values... WHEW! She would have been on Oprah, on the cover of every mainstream media outlet, etc...
Exactly.
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RE: Vileness of those "against" Palin - 10/7/2008 6:56:41 PM
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