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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:23:32 AM
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perichoretic
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What is insane is your implying that I have "justified" the crime.
Do you not find it the least bit fishy that Palin and the campaign are refusing to allow reporters or investigations into Trooper Gate?
You said the hackers 'had to do' what they did; that's justification.
And considering we are all here discussing the presumed 'Trooper Gate', I have a hard time understanding how anyone could say it is hidden or isn't being investigated.
Well, jhud, you are free to read into what I wrote anything you wish.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:24:12 AM
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On the one hand, the gentleman who hacked into Palin's account should be prosecuted. What makes the story interesting is that he is the son of a lawmaker. On the other hand, Palin is wrong for using private email for government business. Even if the business is not that secret. Emails, phone messages, and any other correspondence created by the governor for the purpose of governing is open to the public. Specifically, the Alaskan public. They pay her salary. They have a right to see what's going. Private email is private.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:24:17 AM
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Jhud
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The scandal was manufactured by democrats? Really? I bet Obama fired her ex-brother-in-law, right? I'm sure it is some big conspiracy. That is why the Republican party has put a stop to any further investigation until after the election.
See, this is why we know you have no idea what you are talking about; her brother-in-law was not fired; though he should have been, that's the real scandal.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:24:23 AM
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oh brother. Where did I endorse anything illegal? Gimme a break. Funny how you all gloss over the main point - that Palin is hiding something.
So what are YOU hiding? Let us see your email accounts.
Ben,
I'm not running for VP nor am I being alledged of abusing my power as governor.
There are legal ways to find out what is her email. Have you ever heard of subpeonas or discovery?
You implicitly endorsed the illegal action in your first post. parapharse: "if she would have relased her emails, the hacker would not have had to break the law."
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:25:29 AM
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Jhud
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Well, jhud, you are free to read into what I wrote anything you wish.
So you neither confirm nor deny your justification of Federal crimes?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:25:52 AM
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perichoretic
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That doesn't mean you aren't guilty of a crime; what are you hiding and why are you impeding an investigation of your crimes?
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So you admit you ARE hiding something!
Shhhhhh.....I'm the real Easter Bunny!
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:26:37 AM
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Jhud
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On the one hand, the gentleman who hacked into Palin's account should be prosecuted. What makes the story interesting is that he is the son of a lawmaker. On the other hand, Palin is wrong for using private email for government business. Even if the business is not that secret. Emails, phone messages, and any other correspondence created by the governor for the purpose of governing is open to the public. Specifically, the Alaskan public. They pay her salary. They have a right to see what's going. Private email is private.
More ignorance. What evidence do you have she used her e-mail for government business?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:28:11 AM
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perichoretic
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Well, jhud, you are free to read into what I wrote anything you wish.
So you neither confirm nor deny your justification of Federal crimes?
Jhud,
I'm beginning to think you are either not reading anything I actually write or you are unable to read comprehensively.
Post 14, I said: I agree that everyone has the right to their privacy. The hacker should be tried and justice served.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:29:08 AM
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Jhud
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I'm beginning to think you are either not reading anything I actually write or you are unable to read comprehensively.
Post 14, I said: I agree that everyone has the right to their privacy. The hacker should be tried and justice served.
And yet you think that the hacker was forced to do what he did by Palin. That would be justification.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:30:27 AM
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oh brother. Where did I endorse anything illegal? Gimme a break. Funny how you all gloss over the main point - that Palin is hiding something.
Let me spell it out for you since you seem to be having trouble finding a clue. You said:
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It is a shame computer hackers have to do what Palin should have been more than willing to do herself. I wonder what it is she and the Rep. camp are so afraid of letting get out before the election?
You did not say, "wow I really don't like sarah palin or her politics, but I certainly don't endorse breaking the law and violating someone's privacy in an attempt to get ahead."
which is what you should have said... or nothing at all would have worked for me.
What other politicians have been asked to make their PRIVATE email accounts public? I've certainly not heard anyone asking Obama or McCain to do such a thing. What makes it OK for a computer hacker to violate someone's privacy in that manner? Because they are a politician you don't like? I think not. I don't care for Obama's politics but I would never endorse anyone breaking into his private email account. In fact, if I found out any McCain supporter I knew did so - I'd turn them in for BREAKING THE LAW.
Utterly despicable display of unconcern for the law and the privacy of citizens.
Oh, Mr. (red) hand... I have a job for you.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:33:46 AM
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perichoretic
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I'm beginning to think you are either not reading anything I actually write or you are unable to read comprehensively.
Post 14, I said: I agree that everyone has the right to their privacy. The hacker should be tried and justice served.
And yet you think that the hacker was forced to do what he did by Palin. That would be justification.
Since you all have a problem with reading, here is what I actually said:
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It is a shame computer hackers have to do what Palin should have been more than willing to do herself.
You all jump on a rabbit trail that I am justifying crime which I explicitly said I am not. Like any issue of substance you latch on to what you think you know rather than deal with the issue of Palin's secrecy and its purpose.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:34:08 AM
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On the one hand, the gentleman who hacked into Palin's account should be prosecuted. What makes the story interesting is that he is the son of a lawmaker. On the other hand, Palin is wrong for using private email for government business. Even if the business is not that secret. Emails, phone messages, and any other correspondence created by the governor for the purpose of governing is open to the public. Specifically, the Alaskan public. They pay her salary. They have a right to see what's going. Private email is private.
More ignorance. What evidence do you have she used her e-mail for government business?
I read some of the emails that were posted on the internet. They weren't exactly personal. They were government business related.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:35:43 AM
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perichoretic
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raivyne,
I'm sorry I did not respond the way you think I should have.
Once again, you and the others are glossing over the main point: Palin is hiding something.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:38:24 AM
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Jhud
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I read some of the emails that were posted on the internet. They weren't exactly personal. They were government business related.
Links?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:39:46 AM
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stamper_ben
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raivyne,
I'm sorry I did not respond the way you think I should have.
Once again, you and the others are glossing over the main point: Palin is hiding something.
And again, what are YOU hiding in not making your accounts public?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:40:28 AM
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Jhud
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Once again, you and the others are glossing over the main point: Palin is hiding something.
So let me get this straight - we know she is 'hiding something' because she hasn't released her personal e-mails.
Shall we assume that every person whose personal e-mails aren't public is hiding something?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:43:23 AM
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utilityfielder
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raivyne,
I'm sorry I did not respond the way you think I should have.
Once again, you and the others are glossing over the main point: Palin is hiding something.
This is a kind of "Have you stopped beating your wife" type of reasoning.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:43:51 AM
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earthless
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oh brother. Where did I endorse anything illegal? Gimme a break. Funny how you all gloss over the main point - that Palin is hiding something.
What in the world are you talking about?
Palin using a Yahoo email account for personal correspondence that included sending private family pictures.. talking about prayer meetings, etc... how is that "something to hide?" Maybe I am missing something from this equation, if so please fill me in.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:44:28 AM
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perichoretic
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[So let me get this straight - we know she is 'hiding something' because she hasn't released her personal e-mails.
Don't be silly. No. We know she is hiding something because she is obviously hiding something. I don't care about her emails.
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Shall we assume that every person whose personal e-mails aren't public is hiding something?
Sure, if you want to use your twisted logic.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:44:51 AM
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ManimalX
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Since you all have a problem with reading, here is what I actually said:
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It is a shame computer hackers have to do what Palin should have been more than willing to do herself.
You all jump on a rabbit trail that I am justifying crime which I explicitly said I am not. Like any issue of substance you latch on to what you think you know rather than deal with the issue of Palin's secrecy and its purpose.
"hackers have to do". That is the key phrase, and that is flat out justification. That is exactly the same as saying ,"If Palin would have given the world access to her privte email, then hackers wouldn't have had to do it illegally."
Your post demonstrates that you 1) are happy that she got hacked, and 2) believe that she deserved to have a crime committed against her.
I know you are new here, so I will give you some advice: work on your logic skills and mean what you write the first time as often as possible.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:46:15 AM
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I read some of the emails that were posted on the internet. They weren't exactly personal. They were government business related.
Can you please show us these links/proof? I have been following this story on every left AND right wing news source and nothing of that sort has been found.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:47:41 AM
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earthless
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It seems that perich doesn't know that nothing but personal emails were found in her hacked email account.
Why he is bringing up Trooper Gate (as it is a completely separate news story) is beyond me. I think he is misinformed on this topic and is now trying to defend his defense of people's email accounts being hacked.
I need some more coffee.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:47:53 AM
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. We know she is hiding something because she is obviously hiding something.
Wow, where is the proof?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 10:49:05 AM
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perichoretic
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oh brother. Where did I endorse anything illegal? Gimme a break. Funny how you all gloss over the main point - that Palin is hiding something.
What in the world are you talking about?
Palin using a Yahoo email account for personal correspondence that included sending private family pictures.. talking about prayer meetings, etc... how is that "something to hide?" Maybe I am missing something from this equation, if so please fill me in.
The news story I read about a hacker and her email was that Palin was using her personal email account to conduct gov. business. If she was, I don't really care. What was assumed in this hacker's motive, from what I read, was they were trying to find out if there was anything true to Trooper Gate.
Now, my point was (which was hijacked by everyone here) was only to say that perhaps if Palin would not be blocking this investigation and be upfront about this very real, criminal issue then perhaps this hacker would not have felt compelled to break the law in this way.
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