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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:06:08 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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Are you in favor of applying these same standards to say someone like Barak Obama? Would you like to see his grades at Columbia made public? What about his birth certificate? Do you think he is hiding something if he doesn't reveal these?
Good question there...let's let the sun shine in that fellow's closet for once.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:09:50 PM
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[So let me get this straight - we know she is 'hiding something' because she hasn't released her personal e-mails.
Don't be silly. No. We know she is hiding something because she is obviously hiding something. I don't care about her emails.
Well, do you think she should make her underwear drawer public? Because I myself do hide things there.
What else should she make public? Stuff under her bed?
Are you in favor of applying these same standards to say someone like Barak Obama? Would you like to see his grades at Columbia made public? What about his birth certificate? Do you think he is hiding something if he doesn't reveal these?
*sigh*
I hope you can abide by your screen name.
Look - I never said she should divuldge her emails. For the last time: I DO NOT CARE about her emails! I don't care what is in your underwear drawer either, believe it or not.
The fact is this: She is hiding something about this entire Trooper Gate scandal and is being investigated for it. This is not made up out of thin air. What is disturbing about the whole thing is not whether she would willingly give over her emails (I don't even know or care if she was asked to) but that the Rep. campaign have put a stop on the investigation and won't allow her or her husband to testify about it until after the election. Is that or is that not a fact? If you can prove that the Rep. party has nothing to hide on this and are not obstructing anyone from speaking about it than I would happily recant.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:12:53 PM
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perichoretic
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Are you in favor of applying these same standards to say someone like Barak Obama? Would you like to see his grades at Columbia made public? What about his birth certificate? Do you think he is hiding something if he doesn't reveal these?
Good question there...let's let the sun shine in that fellow's closet for once.
If Obama was being investigated for the same or similar thing as Palin is being investigated for than sure - I would hope to see Obama and the campaign be open to allowing the investigation to carry itself out and for the truth to come out. If that involved his turning over his emails or his underwear, so be it.
You guys have all missed the boat on this and are ignoring the FACT that Palin is under an investigation. Obama is not.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:14:31 PM
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Jhud
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She is hiding something about this entire Trooper Gate scandal and is being investigated for it. This is not made up out of thin air. What is disturbing about the whole thing is not whether she would willingly give over her emails (I don't even know or care if she was asked to) but that the Rep. campaign have put a stop on the investigation and won't allow her or her husband to testify about it until after the election. Is that or is that not a fact? If you can prove that the Rep. party has nothing to hide on this and are not obstructing anyone from speaking about it than I would happily recant.
Let's be clear here - we know she is hiding something because she is being investigated by Democrats. Because we know she is hiding something, she must hand over her personal e-mails to prove she isn't hiding anything, even though we know she already is hiding something, so we need no proof.
This is all obvious because anyone who had nothing to hide would immediately cooperate with all requests made by Democrats who accuse them of things.
The previous statements should not be construed to imply that Democrats should respond the same way to Republicans.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:16:21 PM
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perichoretic
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Jhud-
Are you really arguing that it is only the Democrats who are investigating this activity by Palin?
Seriously?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:16:44 PM
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oh brother. Where did I endorse anything illegal? Gimme a break. Funny how you all gloss over the main point - that Palin is hiding something.
Liberals love privacy as an excuse to execute a baby, but ignore it when they get caught digging through personal communication.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:16:47 PM
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She is hiding something about this entire Trooper Gate scandal and is being investigated for it. This is not made up out of thin air. What is disturbing about the whole thing is not whether she would willingly give over her emails (I don't even know or care if she was asked to) but that the Rep. campaign have put a stop on the investigation and won't allow her or her husband to testify about it until after the election. Is that or is that not a fact? If you can prove that the Rep. party has nothing to hide on this and are not obstructing anyone from speaking about it than I would happily recant.
Let's be clear here - we know she is hiding something because she is being investigated by Democrats. Because we know she is hiding something, she must hand over her personal e-mails to prove she isn't hiding anything, even though we know she already is hiding something, so we need no proof.
This is all obvious because anyone who had nothing to hide would immediately cooperate with all requests made by Democrats who accuse them of things.
The previous statements should not be construed to imply that Democrats should respond the same way to Republicans.
Jack, you're making far too much sense. Stop it!
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:17:03 PM
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Are you really arguing that it is only the Democrats who are investigating this activity by Palin?
Seriously?
Who do you think is investigating it?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:24:56 PM
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perichoretic
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Are you really arguing that it is only the Democrats who are investigating this activity by Palin?
Seriously?
Who do you think is investigating it?
Right now a bi-partisan senate relations committee.
This goes far beyond some smear campaign dreamed up by democrats. A person was fired and claims to have been by her abuse of power. Do you not think that deserves investigating? Why is the Palin camp keeping anyone from speaking about this?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:26:59 PM
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Why is the Palin camp keeping anyone from speaking about this? Well, aren't we?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:29:22 PM
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perichoretic
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Why is the Palin camp keeping anyone from speaking about this? Well, aren't we?
lol ben. I'm referring to people who actually know the real story.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:29:51 PM
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And the "real story" is what?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:30:28 PM
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Jhud
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Right now a bi-partisan senate relations committee.
This goes far beyond some smear campaign dreamed up by democrats. A person was fired and claims to have been by her abuse of power. Do you not think that deserves investigating? Why is the Palin camp keeping anyone from speaking about this?
Actually, Palin's husband is answering questions; and Alaskan Republican's have filed suit questioning the impartiality of the investigative commitee; so much for bi-partisanship.
What I don't get is why liberals are defending a wife abusing, child abusing, law breaking, drunk driving police officer? I guess they are going with 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' tact.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:36:30 PM
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perichoretic
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Actually, Palin's husband is answering questions; and Alaskan Republican's have filed suit questioning the impartiality of the investigative commitee; so much for bi-partisanship.
gee, what a surprise that the Republicans would be upset that their VP is being investigated and that they would level a charge of impartiality.
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What I don't get is why liberals are defending a wife abusing, child abusing, law breaking, drunk driving police officer? I guess they are going with 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' tact.
I'm not defending him. But he does have rights, unless you hate the Bill of Rights like all liberals do. 
Interesting that you would suggest that this guy deserved firing. I'm sure Palin thought the same thing. I'm sure the custody battle her sister was involved in had no bearing whatsoever.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:42:03 PM
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Jhud
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gee, what a surprise that the Republicans would be upset that their VP is being investigated and that they would level a charge of impartiality.
Well at least you admit it is not bi-partisan.
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I'm not defending him. But he does have rights, unless you hate the Bill of Rights like all liberals do.
Interesting that you would suggest that this guy deserved firing. I'm sure Palin thought the same thing. I'm sure the custody battle her sister was involved in had no bearing whatsoever.
Well, again, you don't think a child-abusing, wife abusing, drunk driving, law breaking state trooper doesn't deserve firing?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 12:56:28 PM
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Cool. Like I said, I don't really care what is in her email. I only care about the issue of what she is hiding and why is she blockign an investigation?
Then you're in the wrong thread and discussion.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 1:19:38 PM
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perishoretic: are you SwedishCovenant with a new username? Your arguments go in illogical circles almost identical to his.
Well that would certainly explain my use of the "red hand" with this one. However, I think they are probably two different people based on writing style. Who knows?
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/8/2008 1:55:15 PM
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gee, what a surprise that the Republicans would be upset that their VP is being investigated and that they would level a charge of impartiality.
What they are upset about is that the people who are investigation have a agenda which is to find anything they can, even if it means distorting the truth (which has been done in spades in the attacks against the Governor to date). It was a wise move ... if you had someone who wanted more than anything in the world to discredit you, conduct an investigation into your affairs, because of the motivation of the person doing the investigation, you would be wise to stop it and have the investigator replaced by an unbiased individual. (How's that for a looooong sentence?  ) The Obama camp still has an army (well at least 30 people by the last count .. not quite an army, but a lot of people) in Wasilla alone looking for anything they could you against her. So far there has been nothing, and the people of Wasilla according to some of the locals I have seen interviewed, are getting tired of these people in their coffee shops.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/9/2008 9:08:31 AM
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More ignorance. What evidence do you have she used her e-mail for government business?
How many more times does this have to be linked? Had their been no break in the story about this he never would have known to hack the e-mail account:
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Even before the McCain campaign plucked Palin from Alaska, a controversy was brewing over e-mails in the governor's office. Was the administration trying to get around the public records law through broad exemptions or private e-mail accounts?
Activists, still fighting to obtain hundreds of e-mails that were withheld from public records requests earlier this year, say that's what it looks like.
The governor's Yahoo account is "the most nonsensical, inane thing I've ever heard of," said Andree McLeod, who is appealing the administration's decision to withhold e-mails.
"The governor sets the tone and the tone that has been set by this governor is beyond the pale," McLeod said. "Common sense tells you to use an official state e-mail account for official state business."
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/091608/sta_333013278.shtml
It is known that she uses private e-mail for government this is no secret.
As for Kernell I'm glad he got indicted since all an indictment says is you go to trial. We'll see how the case plays out before a jury but he'll probably be convicted. He was awfully stupid about how he went about it.
I still think you conspiracy theorists are grasping at straws on this. Had there been a conspiracy this kid wouldn't have been caught, seriously. However the story of the e-mails and their being subpoenaed goes back a few months to earlier this year.
For the record the kid was in college. He could have burned a Live Linux CD, went to the library and did all of this in a way that would have been traceless. He could have borrowed someone's laptop and gone to an internet cafe and done the same thing. He put absolutely no thought into this at all.
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And again, what are YOU hiding in not making your accounts public?
When I become an elected official and I start sending e-mails that have to do with my job of governing I promise you that I will make anything and everything available to you as it pertains to my job of governing as long as you ask because that is the law. : ) Palin should have already done this.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/9/2008 9:36:11 AM
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It is a shame computer hackers have to do what Palin should have been more than willing to do herself. I wonder what it is she and the Rep. camp are so afraid of letting get out before the election?
So... let's go with your premise - you say she is trying to hide something. Please All of us want to know WHAT BARACK IS HIDING? NO ONE can have access to his academic records or thesis of any of his schooling or those of his wife's.
He will NOT release a copy of his birth certificate even though he is now fighting a lawsuit to do so because His Grandmother and half siblings in Kenya say he was born there and NOT in Hawaii and if that were the case - he CAN NOT be President!!
He also won't allow access to his records of when he worked for ACORN as one of their LAWYERS - you know that Community Organizing Group that is fraudlently registering voters and in the news today and ALSO in the 1st Bailout package they were going to get 20 million of taxpayers dollars - for what - helping to cheat on an election??
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/9/2008 9:52:49 AM
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I hope the hacker gets the maximum; 5 years and a quarter million fine.
I would hope the same if it had been the email stolen was a democrat.
The laws need to catch up with the technology and they need to be enforced. Stealing mail (hard copy or electronic) is and should be considered a serious offense.
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RE: :: Democrat's son indicted - 10/9/2008 2:41:40 PM
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rlj
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Please All of us want to know WHAT BARACK IS HIDING?
If you would like to know what Obama sent in e-mails as it pertained to his job as a Senator or as his job in the Illinois statehouse you are allowed to request copies of those. If he sent any on a private e-mail account those would be included.
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I hope the hacker gets the maximum; 5 years and a quarter million fine.
I would hope the same if it had been the email stolen was a democrat.
The laws need to catch up with the technology and they need to be enforced. Stealing mail (hard copy or electronic) is and should be considered a serious offense.
I almost totally agree with you on that. I'd like to see time and I'd like to see a fine but the max is a little high.
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