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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/9/2008 11:16:52 PM
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I am not bitter, and I am not clinging to my guns or my religion. I do not need to, for the Lord supplies all my needs, not the government. It has been my experience that when the government seeks to do for us what we should be doing for ourselves, it always comes with strings attached, not the least of which is a loss of privacy and autonomy. These are freedoms we should not be giving up lightly.
...why then are you so mad? In the bigger picture, the government of the U.S. is but a spec in God's universe.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/9/2008 11:34:42 PM
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You're reading more into Evangel70's comment than is there. I don't believe he/she was advocating Socialism.
You are correct. I am certainly NOT advocating socialism. The fact that the radical right has been brainwashed into believing that ANY democrat has the power to dismantle 200+ years of capitalism and somehow discard the constitutional form of government would be amusing if it wasn't inciting the crazies to believe all the troubles of the world are caused by the Jews.....I mean the democrats.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Or, if you prefer...
"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." - I Corinthians 10:12 (KJV)
Just because something is unthinkable does not mean it is impossible. History has demonstrated repeatedly how easy it is for a nation to slip into despotism. And it frequently involves a charismatic leader, who often has a messiah complex. Something which even supporters of Senator Obama say he has. (Tell me, when has that ever been a good thing in someone aspiring to be a national leader?)
There are many, many troubling things in Senator Obama's record, in his current behavior, in things he's said, and in his plans that are serious cause for alarm. And I'm not even talking about the associations which his supporters dismiss so readily; I'm talking observable facts. The nightmare scenario is far more plausible than you think.
Consider one small facet. (I could go into many but this post would be so long nobody would read it.) Senator Obama has called for the creation of a "Civilian National Security Force" as well-armed as the U.S. Military. This is unprecedented. I am unaware of anyone ever calling for the creation of what amounts to a national police force, much less one so powerful. Further, it is all too easy to structure this force so that it would have personal loyalty to the President (or at minimum his Party). Simply recruit from the poorest and most disaffected of our society, give them money and of course the power being part of that force would entail. Presto! You have a Secret Police worthy of any dictator.
This is but one example. Perhaps we are reading too much into things. But there are so many similar issues with Senator Obama that we simply would rather not take the chance of trusting him with the Presidency.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 12:41:08 AM
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"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." - I Corinthians 10:12 (KJV)
I just wanted to clarify that I know this verse is referring to sin. I did not mean to imply otherwise. But I believe the principle is the same as in Jefferson's quote: one should not get complacent. Because that's when the worst happens.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 4:57:35 AM
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Socialism is oppressive to the common people of a nation. Period. You have created a false dichotomy between socialism and dictatorship/police state. In fact, socialist governments historically CONSIST of dictatorships and police states! A vote for Barack Husein 0bama is a vote for a radical socialist oppression. A vote against him is a vote for liberty and freedom.
*Sigh* Could we please get a little more perspective and a little less chest beating?
Most of the US consider Europe to be socialist. Yet we are not dictatorships and police states – we are democracies and I dare say we are better at handling that democracy than US seems to be.
Sure, there is still strong convictions, but the sheer amount of blind black/white, us vs them mentality that seems to seep into every US political thread are not our way of doing democracy.
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A vote for Barack Husein 0bama is a vote for a radical socialist oppression.
Obama couldn’t poke true socialism with a long stick. He is to the right of most European political parties, and they in turn are not true socialist either. Perspective, please.
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A vote against him is a vote for liberty and freedom.
When in doubt, wave that flag. Wave it with every fibre in your body.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 5:27:18 AM
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Just because something is unthinkable does not mean it is impossible. History has demonstrated repeatedly how easy it is for a nation to slip into despotism. And it frequently involves a charismatic leader, who often has a messiah complex. Something which even supporters of Senator Obama say he has. (Tell me, when has that ever been a good thing in someone aspiring to be a national leader?)
There are many, many troubling things in Senator Obama's record, in his current behavior, in things he's said, and in his plans that are serious cause for alarm. And I'm not even talking about the associations which his supporters dismiss so readily; I'm talking observable facts. The nightmare scenario is far more plausible than you think.
Consider one small facet. (I could go into many but this post would be so long nobody would read it.) Senator Obama has called for the creation of a "Civilian National Security Force" as well-armed as the U.S. Military. This is unprecedented. I am unaware of anyone ever calling for the creation of what amounts to a national police force, much less one so powerful. Further, it is all too easy to structure this force so that it would have personal loyalty to the President (or at minimum his Party). Simply recruit from the poorest and most disaffected of our society, give them money and of course the power being part of that force would entail. Presto! You have a Secret Police worthy of any dictator.
This is but one example. Perhaps we are reading too much into things. But there are so many similar issues with Senator Obama that we simply would rather not take the chance of trusting him with the Presidency.
-Robb
I don't know why, but your post makes me think about a lot of today's religous leaders. 
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 6:26:14 AM
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It's not going to be (or rather "it isn't being") dismantled by any one democrat. It's taken decades of gradual subtle "indoctrination" and now most Americans can't even recognize what's happening.
Do you mean to say "the Democrats" are responsible for our declining culture? I have a hard time understanding this logic. Especially, since not all Republicans are not christian. My father is a very rich non-christian Replubican and all he cares about is protecting his money and investments. So, to say the Democrats are the sole source responsible for a declining culture is "utter nonsense". According to the dictionary I'm a member of the "Democratic-Republican" party.
Not Democrats but Liberals and liberalism - especially in education...that's who's responsible primarily for our decline. That's how we lost our understanding and appreciation of the very freedoms this country was founded on. Your greedy Republican father (that was harsh) may not be perfect but guys like him, in and of themselves, can't be blamed for a dismantling of the American foundations. Maybe some of those guys abuse the system but at least they understood and appreciated it. The deterioration comes from those who don't appreciate it, wont fight for it, and will give up their precious freedoms for their own ease and comfort. It's only a recent development that this force of liberalism has garnered enough popular support by twisting the education system in this country that they've been able to completely take over the Democratic party.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 7:54:37 AM
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And the video has been taken down.
THAT is a true shame.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 8:07:58 AM
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To suggest that "reaching across the aisle" is somehow a bad thing and that instead one should just force people to embrace your political ideology or you're no longer welcome in this country is not only scary, but suggestive of the violence and evil to come.
Reaching across the aislw could be good, but it would depend on what is across the aisle that one would be reaching towards.
Personally I am a Bible believing Christian, and a Constitution believing believing American. Every step someone takes away from the Bible in thier spiritual life is tantamount to disaster, as is stepping away from the Constitution.
Socialism is not a step away from our Constiturtion it is an absolute distruction of our Constitution.
I have always been a student of our founding fathers and their writings (including the Declaration, Constitution, Bill of Right, and their personal letters). I long for the simplicity of the government that they envisioned.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 8:18:40 AM
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And the video has been taken down.
THAT is a true shame.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/09/townhall-voter-to-mccain-im-mad-im-really-mad/
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 10:40:49 AM
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If you're willing to embrace socialism, you won't have any choice but to submit when the leader declares martial law. It's not hatred, Evangel10, like the OP said: it's anger! And, for the record, anger can be righteous.
Like GWB did with "The Patriot Acts 1 and 2?
Or this or this or this example?
GWB has torn up the Bill of Rights and McSame spews that same rhetoric on the GWOT so I am sure he is fine with throwing out the 4th Amendment and turn the feds into Big Brother as well. Orwell was just off by 20 years!
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 10:51:24 AM
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*Sigh* Could we please get a little more perspective and a little less chest beating?
Most of the US consider Europe to be socialist. Yet we are not dictatorships and police states – we are democracies and I dare say we are better at handling that democracy than US seems to be.
Sure, there is still strong convictions, but the sheer amount of blind black/white, us vs them mentality that seems to seep into every US political thread are not our way of doing democracy.
With all due respect to you beloved Denmark, most of Europe is a toilet. The decline of Europe into the apathetic and immoral thing that it is is exactly I want the USA to avoid.
I know you aren't a Christian, but I'll hit you with some truth anyway: the prophet Daniel gave a prophecy thousands of years ago regarding the coming kingdoms of the world. You can read it for yourself in Daniel 2. The king of Babylon had had a dream that nobody could interpret until God gave Daniel the interpretation. The king had dreamed of a great statue: "The head of this image was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its middle and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay". I will give you the interpretation quickly and if you are interested in more, let me know: the statue represented five kingdoms that would essentially rule the world. The head of gold was Babylon. The chest and arms of silver were the Medes and Persians, who conquered Babylon. The middle and thighs of bronze was the Greek empire under Alexander the Great and his bronze clad warriors. The legs of iron was the Roman empire and their iron legions. The feet of iron and clay is a kingdom yet to come, but can be seen forming as the EU solidifies. Daniel told us that this kingdom would be a divided kingdom, partly strong and partly brittle, that will enter into a "marriage" together but will be unable to hold together. As it is then written: "The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
I don't want the USA to be a part of that kingdom.
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Obama couldn’t poke true socialism with a long stick. He is to the right of most European political parties, and they in turn are not true socialist either. Perspective, please.
His obsession with the "global community" is frightening. And yes, 0bama's socialism is easily on par with European socialists, he just hides it better than most. It isn't hard to see though.
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When in doubt, wave that flag. Wave it with every fibre in your body.
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I will, because that flag represents a nation founded on the rock of Christ and principles of God. It breaks my heart to see her sliding into the sewer.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 10:58:43 AM
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*Sigh* Could we please get a little more perspective and a little less chest beating?
Most of the US consider Europe to be socialist. Yet we are not dictatorships and police states – we are democracies and I dare say we are better at handling that democracy than US seems to be.
Sure, there is still strong convictions, but the sheer amount of blind black/white, us vs them mentality that seems to seep into every US political thread are not our way of doing democracy.
With all due respect to you beloved Denmark, most of Europe is a toilet. The decline of Europe into the apathetic and immoral thing that it is is exactly I want the USA to avoid.
Oh my goodness! Blast us for being arrogant Americans or whatever but, I have to say, I can't disagree with ManimalX on this.
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The Politics of Hate - 10/10/2008 12:15:50 PM
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I will, because that flag represents a nation founded on the rock of Christ and principles of God.
My bible says that it's the CHURCH that was founded on the rock of Jesus Christ and NOT the United States of America. Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights some time. The United States was NOT created to be a theocracy. In fact, the founding fathers fled England BECAUSE of the religious persecution prevalent in a state run church.
It blows my mind that you want so very badly to establish some sort of man made "Kingdom of God" on earth. Christians can't agree amongst themselves about theological issues. You've already stated that you want to DESTROY those who disagree with your extreme right theological agenda. Is that you're idea of "Heaven on earth"? Has the conservative agenda become your bible?
The McCain/Palin campaign is already inciting chants of "terrorist" and "kill him" in their rallies and people are already mad and scared about the economy torpedoing it's way into a recession. These people are looking for hope and assurance that things will get better. Instead, John McCain and Sarah Palin are insinuating that Obama is a terrorist and dangerous for the country and all the problems of the world can be traced back to a 2-year democratic majority.
Don't be surprised when some of those rally members attempt to take the law into their own hands and attempt to murder Obama or Ayers or Rev. Wright or Pelosi or even their democratic neighbor or co-worker, thinking they are protecting the country. Expect Klan rallies to pop up like fireflies and so-called "Christians" supporting their efforts when Obama wins the Presidency. Remember folks, you heard it here first.
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RE: The Politics of Hate - 10/10/2008 12:30:06 PM
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Don't be surprised when some of those rally members attempt to take the law into their own hands and attempt to murder Obama or Ayers or Rev. Wright or Pelosi or even their democratic neighbor or co-worker, thinking they are protecting the country. Expect Klan rallies to pop up like fireflies and so-called "Christians" supporting their efforts when Obama wins the Presidency. You're dreaming.
Or wishing...
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RE: The Politics of Hate - 10/10/2008 12:38:41 PM
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I will, because that flag represents a nation founded on the rock of Christ and principles of God.
My bible says that it's the CHURCH that was founded on the rock of Jesus Christ and NOT the United States of America. Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights some time. The United States was NOT created to be a theocracy. In fact, the founding fathers fled England BECAUSE of the religious persecution prevalent in a state run church.
It blows my mind that you want so very badly to establish some sort of man made "Kingdom of God" on earth. Christians can't agree amongst themselves about theological issues. You've already stated that you want to DESTROY those who disagree with your extreme right theological agenda. Is that you're idea of "Heaven on earth"? Has the conservative agenda become your bible?
The McCain/Palin campaign is already inciting chants of "terrorist" and "kill him" in their rallies and people are already mad and scared about the economy torpedoing it's way into a recession. These people are looking for hope and assurance that things will get better. Instead, John McCain and Sarah Palin are insinuating that Obama is a terrorist and dangerous for the country and all the problems of the world can be traced back to a 2-year democratic majority.
Don't be surprised when some of those rally members attempt to take the law into their own hands and attempt to murder Obama or Ayers or Rev. Wright or Pelosi or even their democratic neighbor or co-worker, thinking they are protecting the country. Expect Klan rallies to pop up like fireflies and so-called "Christians" supporting their efforts when Obama wins the Presidency. Remember folks, you heard it here first.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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RE: The Politics of Hate - 10/10/2008 12:42:43 PM
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I will, because that flag represents a nation founded on the rock of Christ and principles of God.
My bible says that it's the CHURCH that was founded on the rock of Jesus Christ and NOT the United States of America. Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights some time. The United States was NOT created to be a theocracy. In fact, the founding fathers fled England BECAUSE of the religious persecution prevalent in a state run church.
It blows my mind that you want so very badly to establish some sort of man made "Kingdom of God" on earth. Christians can't agree amongst themselves about theological issues. You've already stated that you want to DESTROY those who disagree with your extreme right theological agenda. Is that you're idea of "Heaven on earth"? Has the conservative agenda become your bible?
You're making an excellent point. I've always thought it very dangerous and short-sighted for Christians to want to "legislate [our] morality" because, down the road, you very well may not be the majority. If you don't recognize and appreciate the freedoms of others, even the freedom to be WRONG, the tide may and assuredly someday will turn against you and you'll find your beliefs the ones not being appreciated and upheld.
This is most certainly NOT a nation founded on "Christ and the principals of God" - that's a very disturbing revisionist version of history. My kids are being taught that in their A Beka Christian school history curriculum and I don't like it. They're young - 2nd and 4th grade but I'm trying to go with what's in their texts which, IMO, is very superficial and biased but to also being to delve deeper into history with them so they start to understand the complexities and bigger picture. There were many other influences on our Constitution and the formation of our form of government...I think it's the best in the world but it's not a Bible-based government, and I'm glad it's not! Much of the fundamentals of freedom and responsibility coordinated into our system was very much in line with Biblical principals - but that's because, as with everything else, what the Bible says WORKS - whether you believe the Bible or not, principals of sowing and reaping, for example, work for all of us. Contrary to popular opinion, our founding fathers were not Evangelicals and really bore little resemblance to the "religious right" that claims to carry their banner today...they were Deists and philosophers educated in the very pagan Greek and Roman teachers. I guess we should be thankful to the Church adopting the founding fathers and the Constitution as their own - without it, I'm not sure if anyone would've been fighting for what is traditional and fundamental to our society this long. But, by the same token, maybe the adaptation of what is traditionally "American" to the point that some would distort it into being inherantly "Christian" or worse, "of God" is exactly what has caused the backlash in our society that now threatens our very foundation as a nation. It could go either way.
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The McCain/Palin campaign is already inciting chants of "terrorist" and "kill him" in their rallies and people are already mad and scared about the economy torpedoing it's way into a recession. These people are looking for hope and assurance that things will get better. Instead, John McCain and Sarah Palin are insinuating that Obama is a terrorist and dangerous for the country and all the problems of the world can be traced back to a 2-year democratic majority.
I don't think McCain expects any thinking person to lay all of the problems we have now at the feet of the last two years of Democratic control. Any thinking person knows it's much bigger and goes much deeper than that AND much deeper and further back than just GWB. There's enough blame to go around. Thinking people know that. But we're three weeks from the election. "Thinking people" are pretty well locked down. At this point, McCain is talking to the voters who still don't have a clue - and if he has to dumb down the rhetoric, and even somewhat unfairly target the opposition at this point in the election, I don't mind that. I don't feel bad for anyone clueless enough at this point to be so gullable as to be sucked in by the nonsense both parties are spewing right now...I only feel sorry for the rest of us who are at their mercy now.
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Don't be surprised when some of those rally members attempt to take the law into their own hands and attempt to murder Obama or Ayers or Rev. Wright or Pelosi or even their democratic neighbor or co-worker, thinking they are protecting the country. Expect Klan rallies to pop up like fireflies and so-called "Christians" supporting their efforts when Obama wins the Presidency. Remember folks, you heard it here first.
I think the chants of "kill him" were isolated and not accurate of what's going on at McCain's rallies - if they're yelling "terrorist" I'm not sure - maybe "terrorist lover" would even be OK with me if they're chanting that at all his rallies. I think they're making a point there that it's high time somebody makes. And I think what you're hearing there is frustration that the campaign hasn't played hardball before now. But, when I woke up this morning, I would've thought the claims that people are yelling "kill him" to be totally overblown and silliness. I had breakfast this morning, though, with two parents who have a son in my ds' class at our private Christian school. They also have an older child in 7th grade. Apparently, the class was discussing the election one day recently, as they should, but the conversation continued into the hallway after class and somehow deterioriated into talk of killing Obama or along those lines. I'm getting the story from the parents who got it from their middle schooler. But, whatever was said, it was obviously over the line. The teacher needs to re-adress the issue and specifically what our attitude about it should be as Christians and as Americans. Hopefully that will happen. But I'm kinda wondering what's being discussed in those homes. It may also have been one middle school boy acting blustery and stupid (as MS boys are known to do) - still, I find that so hard to comprehend. So there really is some seriously violent underpinnings to the widespread angst Americans are feeling right now.
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RE: The Politics of Hate - 10/10/2008 12:53:25 PM
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I will, because that flag represents a nation founded on the rock of Christ and principles of God.
My bible says that it's the CHURCH that was founded on the rock of Jesus Christ and NOT the United States of America. Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights some time. The United States was NOT created to be a theocracy. In fact, the founding fathers fled England BECAUSE of the religious persecution prevalent in a state run church.
It blows my mind that you want so very badly to establish some sort of man made "Kingdom of God" on earth. Christians can't agree amongst themselves about theological issues. You've already stated that you want to DESTROY those who disagree with your extreme right theological agenda. Is that you're idea of "Heaven on earth"? Has the conservative agenda become your bible?
You're making an excellent point. I've always thought it very dangerous and short-sighted for Christians to want to "legislate [our] morality" because, down the road, you very well may not be the majority. If you don't recognize and appreciate the freedoms of others, even the freedom to be WRONG, the tide may and assuredly someday will turn against you and you'll find your beliefs the ones not being appreciated and upheld.
This is most certainly NOT a nation founded on "Christ and the principals of God" - that's a very disturbing revisionist version of history. My kids are being taught that in their A Beka Christian school history curriculum and I don't like it. They're young - 2nd and 4th grade but I'm trying to go with what's in their texts which, IMO, is very superficial and biased but to also being to delve deeper into history with them so they start to understand the complexities and bigger picture. There were many other influences on our Constitution and the formation of our form of government...I think it's the best in the world but it's not a Bible-based government, and I'm glad it's not! Much of the fundamentals of freedom and responsibility coordinated into our system was very much in line with Biblical principals - but that's because, as with everything else, what the Bible says WORKS - whether you believe the Bible or not, principals of sowing and reaping, for example, work for all of us. Contrary to popular opinion, our founding fathers were not Evangelicals and really bore little resemblance to the "religious right" that claims to carry their banner today...they were Deists and philosophers educated in the very pagan Greek and Roman teachers. I guess we should be thankful to the Church adopting the founding fathers and the Constitution as their own - without it, I'm not sure if anyone would've been fighting for what is traditional and fundamental to our society this long. But, by the same token, maybe the adaptation of what is traditionally "American" to the point that some would distort it into being inherantly "Christian" or worse, "of God" is exactly what has caused the backlash in our society that now threatens our very foundation as a nation. It could go either way.
Agreed, we can't legislate Christianity into our government. Like Evangel70, we already have numerous denominations within the religion itself that don't agree on different doctrines, and besides this country is supposed torepresent all Americans. That means Americans of all nationalities and different religious backgrounds, you can't just force your type of interpretation of your faith into this government that's supposed to be for all.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 1:30:12 PM
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I will risk socialism over a dictatorship and police state any day.
But you will actually get all three. I would say all three of these definitions sound similiar or are about each other.
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The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population.
dictatorship: It is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed
socialism: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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RE: "I AM MAD!" - 10/10/2008 2:13:16 PM
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What you, yourself write about Socialism is pretty much the same as Christians trying to force their will on others. People should have freewill to make their own choices whether Christian's agree with them or not.
Actually all laws are a reflection of someones morals. Whether they are christian, jewish, muslim, hindus, or atheist. Law orginated with God like everything else. So with laws someone is going to "force" their views on someone else. When we look at socialism vs free enterprise (democracy/republic), we ask is either system godly. No they are not. Free enterprise is the economic system in which the means of production are owned by private persons, and operated for profit. (A) quote:
democracy is a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them
A republic is a quote:
political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
the state becomes god because it decides what is right or wrong, it decides what is moral what is not moral.
Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Within the free enterprise system, individuals decide what is right and wrong, based on the moral foundation they stand on and making the decisions for themselves. Within socialism the state becomes god and decides what is right or wrong or what is moral. The state controls what is owned, production, and the distribution of what is owned. The state also is to punish evil (by might(sword)(police)) and condone good. Now what happens to the people if the state both decides was is moral and holds the sword. It becomes an ungodly monster to the people.
Summary: the structure of the free enterprise system / republic / democracy allows for individual choice. Standing on whatever moral foundation they stand on. In socialism, the state is god. Either way immoralty exists. But in one of the ways, the individual has the free choice about life that God gave him, the other way the state is god, making the decisions about what is moral and punis | | |
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