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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/15/2008 12:06:53 PM
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OneOfHisJewels
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I suppose Eli and Samuel failed as parents, too....their kids weren't the sharpest tools in the shed either.
Not to mention Adam and Eve, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, King David, Solomon, and so on.
In fact, I think the only perfect parents in the Bible must have been Mary and Joseph, since they are the only ones who had a son who never sinned.
Yeah, but they went on to have other children after him, so they probably didn't get to stay "perfect" parents for long. Man, that must have been hard to have one child with no sin and the rest with sin. For the kids, too, not just the parents. Talk about feeling inadequate compared to your older sibling!
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I'm listening to a local radio program and a caller said that she believes they failed as parents because their daughter got pregnant.
I wonder how much trouble that caller's kid(s) have gotten into, or if she has ever had any.
What this caller said wasn't as bad as some of the accusations I've heard. I heard one person accuse that the little downs syndrome baby (Trig) was really the daughter's first baby, adopted by Palin, and the daughter is really pregnant with her second baby. I am like, oh give me a break! 
P.S. I know there really are grandparents that adopt their grandchild, but I DON'T think this is the case here...if it were, I don't think they would try to hide it and weave that tangled web of deception.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/15/2008 12:14:26 PM
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Sideways
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It is an interesting question though... DH and I were just talking about this in a roundabout sort of way on the way to Church on Sunday. More specifically... how to teach and raise a child who doesn't become the highschool tramp. I think we basically came to the conclusion that we can do everything possible to raise a child the "right" way and because our nature is to sin AND we have free will that there is nothing we can really, truly do to prevent them from choosing a questionable behavior.
Well, I suppose you could never let them out of your sight until they are married, but I'm not sure that's the way I'd want to go. Actually, I'm very sure that I wouldn't want to go that route.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/15/2008 1:14:29 PM
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It is an interesting question though... DH and I were just talking about this in a roundabout sort of way on the way to Church on Sunday. More specifically... how to teach and raise a child who doesn't become the highschool tramp. I think we basically came to the conclusion that we can do everything possible to raise a child the "right" way and because our nature is to sin AND we have free will that there is nothing we can really, truly do to prevent them from choosing a questionable behavior.
Well, I suppose you could never let them out of your sight until they are married, but I'm not sure that's the way I'd want to go. Actually, I'm very sure that I wouldn't want to go that route.
Us either. My parents started "letting go" when I was in highschool, probably the end of my junior year they started switching from "your grounded" to "maybe that's not the best option", if that makes any sense. They quit punishing and started offering advice, I did make a couple poor choices but I made them knowing that my parents would still love me which was very different from my friend whose parents would do things like come check on her at the movie theater to make sure she was really there. They were and still are very controlling and she felt like if she didn't make the right choice then they would stop loving her.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/15/2008 3:21:58 PM
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I am an Obama supporter and I simply don't see how the Palins failed as parents. Life happens, life gets messy and you just deal with it accordingly. I think, under the circumstances, the Palins are dealing with it as well as anybody else could.
If THIS doesn't indicate that mudslinging is a campaign problem that needs to go away, then I don't know what would make the mudslinging disappear...
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 12:12:20 AM
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So are children's failures EVER their parents fault, or not? If so, which one are, and which aren't?
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 12:20:46 AM
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So are children's failures EVER their parents fault, or not? If so, which one are, and which aren't?
Good question...
There are times when you see a pattern. I knew an elder in a church who had 3 kids. Both his daughters lived with their boyfriends before marriage, and now have troubled marriage. His son was a serious drug and alcohol abuser, as was one of the daughters. Weird stuff. And though he kept up a good facade at church, there was definitely something wrong in that home.
Other times, there's a kid that just seems to be hell-bend on self-destruction. For some reason, he/she just goes off. I don't know why.
Regarding a 17-year old getting pregnant... Ideally it would never happen. But I remember being 17. 'Nuff said.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 7:19:43 AM
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There are times when you see a pattern.
Yeah, sometimes you see a family that's obviously dysfunctional and all the kids have been raised with no discipline, and the whole family has problems.
Then other times you see families where the parents are wonderful, godly people, and most of the kids have grown up in the Lord, and then one daughter ends up moving in with a boyfriend, or one son turns away from the Lord, and the rest of the family prays for their prodigal.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 7:54:36 AM
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There are times when you see a pattern.
Yeah, sometimes you see a family that's obviously dysfunctional and all the kids have been raised with no discipline, and the whole family has problems.
Then other times you see families where the parents are wonderful, godly people, and most of the kids have grown up in the Lord, and then one daughter ends up moving in with a boyfriend, or one son turns away from the Lord, and the rest of the family prays for their prodigal.
My wife & I have two grown sons, and a (ironically) 17-year old daughter. All are Christians who are active in their walk of faith. None are married, and none are pregnant and/or parents. So we are fortunate, and would really like to think that our priorities and pursuits have somehow rubbed off on our kids.
But we've also become far more humble over the years. Raising children often does that to people. The only people who ever say things like, "MY kids will NEVER behave that way!" are people who don't have kids, or have only a newborn baby.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 9:02:24 AM
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So are children's failures EVER their parents fault, or not? If so, which one are, and which aren't?
Yes. I'm thinking of that scripture that says, "The sins of the father" being passed down.
- A teen pregnancy could very well be the result of bad parenting just as much as it couldn't.
How many of us have heard interviews with parents of a murderers who insist that they never knew their son/daughter had problems and we shake our heads asking, "How could you not know?"(Columbine teens)
I think we all could make a list of how our parents failed us one way or another and we do learn from our prarents mistakes, but ....
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 9:15:48 AM
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I think we all could make a list of how our parents failed us one way or another and we do learn from our prarents mistakes, but ....
You're right.
But we can also use that "list of failures" as an excuse.
My parents were not, of course, perfect people. But they are both dedicated Christians who LIVE OUT what the faith they profess. Now in their 70s, they are what they are, wherever they are. Always have been. That goes a long ways.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 9:44:53 AM
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But we can also use that "list of failures" as an excuse.
That's a whole other thread!!!! 
I think it all comes down to your perspective. But I do think there's something to be said about a woman being "keeper of her home." God spent time telling us what we need to do and I wonder how many are spared from alot of grief simply because mom is home and involved in their lives. Not to derail the thread, but just a thought.
Not just a thought, but a GREAT thought!
I'd love to have a thread on that topic - but one that didn't include the typical bashing, finger-pointing, guilt, defensiveness and arguments that are almost inevitable.
My wife has always worked outside the home, since before we were married. But when our kids were growing up, she always worked at jobs that allowed her to be home when the kids were home, and be very very involved in every facet of their lives. There is no question in my mind that, for our family, that was absolutely the right thing.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 2:09:19 PM
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I think it all comes down to your perspective. But I do think there's something to be said about a woman being "keeper of her home." God spent time telling us what we need to do and I wonder how many are spared from alot of grief simply because mom is home and involved in their lives. Not to derail the thread, but just a thought.
We used to have some homeschooled friends, mom stayed at home, dad was a church deacon, and most of the kids were involved in ministry. Their youngest daughter got pregnant out of wedlock. This is one of the neatest, most godly families I know, so it can happen no matter how great of parents you are.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 3:02:18 PM
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I am an Obama supporter and I simply don't see how the Palins failed as parents. Life happens, life gets messy and you just deal with it accordingly. I think, under the circumstances, the Palins are dealing with it as well as anybody else could.
If THIS doesn't indicate that mudslinging is a campaign problem that needs to go away, then I don't know what would make the mudslinging disappear...
Aman to that last paragraph! To spend so much time on things like this, is disgusting!
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 7:17:43 PM
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I have less of a problem of the daughter getting pregnant than them letting the father drop out of high school to work on the oil rigg so he can support the kid. You can't tell me that he needs to drop out of school to support her and the baby. I can understand them not being able to go to college, but at least graduate high school.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 7:33:40 PM
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Well, and that's a problem with teens being "encouraged" to marry and keep the child (as opposed to adoption); their education suffers greatly.
Although, a lady at my church was told by her parents that she would graduate and she would pay for all her baby's expenses. Dad was out of the picture, but her parents expected her to face the consequences of her actions.
She went to school during the day, worked the in the evening and did homework and tended the baby throughout the night. Grandma tended the baby during the day but slept at night. The lady never had another child, even after she married a fine Christian man who treated her well. She said she never wanted to go through that first year again.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/16/2008 8:20:43 PM
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so it can happen no matter how great of parents you are.
Hmmm, I think we've already established that. My point was that having someone home to supervise can save many from making mistakes.
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/17/2008 1:28:53 AM
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so it can happen no matter how great of parents you are.
Hmmm, I think we've already established that. My point was that having someone home to supervise can save many from making mistakes.
So they were suppose to be with her 24/7? The child did go to school and mom and dad can't be there with her. At some point parents have less control over their children. It's part of growing up. I know plenty of kids who's moms are stay at home mom's who make bad decisions.
Would we even be having this discussion if Todd Palin was the VP nominee?
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/17/2008 7:38:07 AM
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Sideways
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Would we even be having this discussion if Todd Palin was the VP nominee?
Do you mean, would we be having this discussion if Mr. Palin was the VP nominee and Sarah Palin was not a SAHM? Maybe. Everyone loves a scandal, not just the press (because they wouldn't be printing articles if we didn't care).
Currently Mr. Palin is a SAH parent, but has that always been true?
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RE: Sarah and Todd Palin failed as parents???? - 10/17/2008 3:25:27 PM
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So they were suppose to be with her 24/7?
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