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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 1:16:01 PM
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broyce1981
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It's definitely true that there are pro-life Democrats around. And at the same time there are anti-life Republicans as well. So it becomes hard to paint everyone in the same party with one brush.
This is an excellent point.
Examine the impact that a pro-life democrat voter has. He votes for democrat candidates, of which more than 99% will be pro-abortion. So even though he is pro-life he votes pro-death. (I do not understand how anyone can delude themselves so completely as to think this is OK) His entire effect upon the political process is to advance abortion.
Now examine the impact of a pro-abortion republican. He votes for candidates that are usually (probably at least 75%) pro-life.
While I cannot paint all republicans as pro-life (and I do not), I can paint all democrats as pro-abortion because the results of their political activity ALWAYS advances abortion.
So I could not marry a liberal (democrat) as they are pro-abortion (which is the murder of the child) and God says "Thou shalt not murder"
I disagree with your assertion that voting for a Democrat always advances the murder of children. There are definitely pro-life candidates in the DNC. Senators Bob Casey and Ben Nelson spring to mind off the top of my head and I think there's a few others.
And sadly where I live there are no pro-life candidates on the ballot. Are you thinking, then, that by going to the polls that I am advocating abortion because I invariably have to vote for a pro-abortion candidate? As it is, I will still vote for the candidate that most closely alligns themselves with my views, even if they don't agree on the sanctity of life.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 1:24:45 PM
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(Please note that I use the current definition of liberalism as opposed to the classical definition. A liberal is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-religion (specifically anti-Christian) and usually anti-family. These are the defining charcateristics of liberalism in this day and age. Every liberal program advances these ideas)
The marriage ammendment is just one small issue. While it's good that some liberals have enough sense to understand the issues involved I'd wager that most of them still vote democrat hence advancing the cause of sexual perversion in this country.
I have no problem sharing the gospel with liberals, or ministering to them when they are in need. But I will not allow myself to be closely enough associated with liberals to be infected by their ideas. I've been familiar with enough of them in the past to realize that their ideas are deeply flawed and that they stand against everything that makes America free and great. How can two walk together less they agree. I disagree with liberals on almost everything, therefore I cannot walk with them.
How are you defining liberal? If they are pro-family, pro-life, pro-Christian, anti-homosexual then they are not really liberal. Although if they still vote democrat then they are stealth liberals. Saying they are against these things yet secretly supporting them.
John it really is possible to get to know and befriend those who are liberals while vehemently disagreeing with what the support and believe in. While I believe these difference will be an obstacle to developing deep friendships, I do not see these issues as things that should prevent someone from associating with others; I actually see that idea as unbiblical. One can really associate with people who hold drastically different outlooks on life without compromising their own values. It may limit what activities can be shared and the depth of the friendship that is formed, but it is through association with others that we are best able to share our faith with those around us. When we see in those around us the same value God sees in them, and demonstrate our love for those around us as God does we can really impact a persons life for the kingdom of God; however, when we treat the ungodly as "lepers" and demonstrate disdain for them, the will see a distorted puture of who God is in our life.
PS. There really are conservatives who live lives that are far more ungodly than many liberals; conservatism doesn't define godliness, God's word does.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 1:42:44 PM
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One can really associate with people who hold drastically different outlooks on life without compromising their own values. It may limit what activities can be shared and the depth of the friendship that is formed, but it is through association with others that we are best able to share our faith with those around us. When we see in those around us the same value God sees in them, and demonstrate our love for those around us as God does we can really impact a persons life for the kingdom of God; however, when we treat the ungodly as "lepers" and demonstrate disdain for them, the will see a distorted puture of who God is in our life. This just needed to be said again. One of my longest and best friends is liberal and my friendship with her grows my faith. Through our discussions God always reminds me why I believe what I do and I have found the relationship does not cause my beliefs to crumble so much as causes them to cement.
Is this a new and improved deal or no deal thread?
Would you marry an arrogant person if their other qualities such as giving to others, serving the Lord, etc were wonderful?
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 1:47:28 PM
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Would you marry an arrogant person if their other qualities such as giving to others, serving the Lord, etc were wonderful?
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NO....humility is the queen of all graces, and pride is the root of all other sin...so no no no no no!
Besides, when I was 18 I was a nanny for a family where the husband was arrogant....and those people had a HORRIBLE marriage.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 1:51:37 PM
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Would you marry an arrogant person if their other qualities such as giving to others, serving the Lord, etc were wonderful?
That seems contradictory, joy. I don't see how a truly arrogant person could have qualities of serving the Lord that were wonderful. If they are arrogant they are serving themselves. They may be going through the motions of doing things that appear on the surface to be serving the Lord, but serving the Lord requires humility.
Would you marry a famous person?
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 1:54:58 PM
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Would you marry a famous person?
If they were faithfully serving the Lord, and were reasonably compatible with me, then yes I would. Simply being famous doesn't demonstrate any kind of character flaw or raise any reason for concern.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 2:15:10 PM
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That seems contradictory, joy. I don't see how a truly arrogant person could have qualities of serving the Lord that were wonderful. I see what you mean.......maybe arrogant isn't the right word........I know a wonderful man, who reflects the Lord's heart in so many areas of his life, yet because he is very black and white on certain issues tends to be closed minded, having decided he is right about an issue, and refuses to consider another view point.........I tend to think on these issues he is arrogant.........is there another word which would work better?
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Would you marry a famous person? Yes since I most likely would not know he is famous when I first meet and begin to date him........I rarely know who is who when it comes to famous people.
Would you marry a man/woman was insecure around others to the degree they often did not act themselves when with a group of your friends?
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 2:19:46 PM
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It's definitely true that there are pro-life Democrats around. And at the same time there are anti-life Republicans as well. So it becomes hard to paint everyone in the same party with one brush.
This is an excellent point.
Examine the impact that a pro-life democrat voter has. He votes for democrat candidates, of which more than 99% will be pro-abortion. So even though he is pro-life he votes pro-death. (I do not understand how anyone can delude themselves so completely as to think this is OK) His entire effect upon the political process is to advance abortion.
Now examine the impact of a pro-abortion republican. He votes for candidates that are usually (probably at least 75%) pro-life.
While I cannot paint all republicans as pro-life (and I do not), I can paint all democrats as pro-abortion because the results of their political activity ALWAYS advances abortion.
So I could not marry a liberal (democrat) as they are pro-abortion (which is the murder of the child) and God says "Thou shalt not murder"
I disagree with your assertion that voting for a Democrat always advances the murder of children. There are definitely pro-life candidates in the DNC. Senators Bob Casey and Ben Nelson spring to mind off the top of my head and I think there's a few others.
By electing a democrat (even a pro-life one) you are giving power and prestige to the democrat party, which is resoundingly pro-abortion. Many people tend to vote for whomever they think will win. So by giving prestife to the democrats you are making it easier for these less well informed voters to also vote democrat, thus advancing abortion. If these "pro-life" democrats were really pro-life why would they be supporting a pro-abortion party? These guys support the democrat leadership. Teh democrat leadership does everything it can to protect abortion in this country. It's the sacrament of the democrat party.
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And sadly where I live there are no pro-life candidates on the ballot. Are you thinking, then, that by going to the polls that I am advocating abortion because I invariably have to vote for a pro-abortion candidate? As it is, I will still vote for the candidate that most closely alligns themselves with my views, even if they don't agree on the sanctity of life.
In this case you have to hold you nose and vote for the one will cause the least harm. Kind of like in the last presidential election. Both candidates would be sending us to hell in a hand basket but with McCain the trip would have taken much longer.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 2:39:53 PM
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Would you marry a famous person?
No.
There's too much that has gone on in my life and too many people who would dance at the opportunity to publicly humilate me and there is no way I would drag anyone else down with it.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 2:42:07 PM
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John it really is possible to get to know and befriend those who are liberals while vehemently disagreeing with what the support and believe in.
It's not possible for me. The combination of the innocent blood screaming from their hands and the knowledge that they are actively working to destroy my family and everything I hold dear prevents me from forming any attachment to them whatsoever.
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While I believe these difference will be an obstacle to developing deep friendships, I do not see these issues as things that should prevent someone from associating with others; I actually see that idea as unbiblical.
How many close associations did Jesus have with the Pharisees and the Sadduccees? I can think of one. And that was only becuase he (Nicodemus) was willing to listen and change his views. The rest of them Jesus preached to but had nothing else to do with. He was available to them but He did not associate with them. I am more than willing to educate any liberal who is willing to change their views, but I'm not going to get down in the sty with them to cast my pearls before them.
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When we see in those around us the same value God sees in them, and demonstrate our love for those around us as God does we can really impact a persons life for the kingdom of God;
Understand, and agreed. I do these things. I will minster to them when they are open to it. I will help them when I am able to, I will demonstrate love for them. (God loves them, its the least I can do)
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however, when we treat the ungodly as "lepers" and demonstrate disdain for them, the will see a distorted puture of who God is in our life.
No one said I treated them like lepers. I actually treat lepers better  . At least a leper is ill through no fault of his own. (Lepers are also totally curable) Liberals not only do those sinful things but they take pleasure in those who do them also and try to encourage more to commit them. That being said, I try to be gracious and polite towards them. I try to give them the benfit of the doubt. But I will not associate myself with them.
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PS. There really are conservatives who live lives that are far more ungodly than many liberals; conservatism doesn't define godliness, God's word does.
Exactly. Where did I ever say otherwise? Even so, it's usually a safe bet that someone who stands for the things that God stands for, like life and sexual purity for example, is more likely to be living a more Godly life than someone who celebrates those things that God calls murder and abomination. The sad truth is that modern liberalism is anti-Christ.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 3:02:46 PM
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I will minster to them when they are open to it. I will help them when I am able to, I will demonstrate love for them. How??? I am just wondering how you demonstrate love to someone you do not love?
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How many close associations did Jesus have with the Pharisees and the Sadduccees? By who's choice? Did Jesus chose not to associate with them or did they chose not to associate with Him?
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The sad truth is that modern liberalism is anti-Christ. Blind eyes will never see without the healing salve of Christ which is applied by you and I.
Would you marry Santa Claus?
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 3:05:48 PM
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That seems contradictory, joy. I don't see how a truly arrogant person could have qualities of serving the Lord that were wonderful. I see what you mean.......maybe arrogant isn't the right word........I know a wonderful man, who reflects the Lord's heart in so many areas of his life, yet because he is very black and white on certain issues tends to be closed minded, having decided he is right about an issue, and refuses to consider another view point.........I tend to think on these issues he is arrogant.........is there another word which would work better?
Arrogant means "over convinced of one's own importance; haughty". The person you are describing seems to just be convinced of the truth of what he believes. What you've told us says nothing about his attitude about himself (He may be arrogant or he may be the world's most humble man)
Can't really think of a single word that relates the concept of being certain that what he believes is true, is indeed true.
As to whether I would marry such a person, Yes. I figure we'd have some really interesting discussions during which either she or I would come around to a better understanding of the issue.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 3:06:50 PM
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Would you marry a famous person?
No. I like my privacy too much.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 3:12:47 PM
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Would you marry a man/woman was insecure around others to the degree they often did not act themselves when with a group of your friends?
Probably not but I would have to see how they settled in as the relationship grew. If they eventually got comfortable enough to be themselves it would be no big deal. If they never did that could be a major problem.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 3:16:28 PM
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I will minster to them when they are open to it. I will help them when I am able to, I will demonstrate love for them. How??? I am just wondering how you demonstrate love to someone you do not love?
Where did I ever say I didn't love them? We are commanded to love them. Therefore I must. That doesn't mean I haev to like them, or like being around them, or like what they stand for however.
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How many close associations did Jesus have with the Pharisees and the Sadduccees? By who's choice? Did Jesus chose not to associate with them or did they chose not to associate with Him?
Both. And trust me, liberals do not like being around me either. I'm very quick to speak truth into their lives (as gently as I can usually) and they don't seem to like that at all.
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The sad truth is that modern liberalism is anti-Christ. Blind eyes will never see without the healing salve of Christ which is applied by you and I.
Agreed.
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Would you marry Santa Claus?
He's not my type at all. No.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 3:35:09 PM
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He's not my type at all. No. I was going to ask "How bout Mrs. Claus?" then I remembered who I was addressing LOL
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 5:29:19 PM
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Arrogant person: Probably not althougth we all have some arrogance to some degree. Though I can't think of any woman I would label as arrogant really. I mean you have overly confident cocky guys. What's that interpret to as a woman: controlling? Then no, I definitely wouldn't date her.
Famous peron: Maybe.
All of those people taking famous person off the list - is the singles scene really that great in your city???? I can't afford to be that picky. Yeah, if Katy Perry wanted to date me then I would give her a chance.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 5:32:59 PM
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Wow.....i am again pretty much sickened by the content of this thread!
The arguments, and arrogance, and attitudes is just amazing!
I am a person.....a Christian......with feelings.......and you know what?! This is partly why i've moved over to the left.....distancing myself from people who dont look and see things as people.
I am alwayz amazed at the tone of the self-righteous......after 31 years in "the church" you'd think i'd of gotten a tougher skin.
well, thanx again.....except for keeping in touch through PM's with a couple of people, there is no way i'm coming back........
To have all of these preconceived ideas about whose and who i am.....makes my mind swirl.
I'll take this as my cue to exit.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 5:53:11 PM
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I will never date an arrogant person, let alone marry one.
A famous person? It depends if his fame makes him arrogant.
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