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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 8:23:17 PM
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trainfan
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I have to catch up.
I'm a Republican, very conservative.
I would say I am generous not frugal.
Don't scream in my sleep (unless telling the smart dog to wake up b/c he's snoring counts).
Not arrogant.
The hygenist told me I do a good job brushing and flossing.
Wouldn't marry anyone famous, I like to stay behind the scenes.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 8:53:29 PM
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skreyola
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I have to catch up.
I'm a Republican, very conservative.
I would say I am generous not frugal.
Don't scream in my sleep (unless telling the smart dog to wake up b/c he's snoring counts).
Not arrogant.
The hygenist told me I do a good job brushing and flossing.
Wouldn't marry anyone famous, I like to stay behind the scenes.
Have you met twinkly? Or are you two siblings?
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 10:47:04 PM
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I'd marry Kermit! He's a sensible nice guy. 
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 11:36:22 PM
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rgod
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How many close associations did Jesus have with the Pharisees and the Sadduccees? I can think of one. And that was only becuase he (Nicodemus) was willing to listen and change his views. The rest of them Jesus preached to but had nothing else to do with. He was available to them but He did not associate with them. I am more than willing to educate any liberal who is willing to change their views, but I'm not going to get down in the sty with them to cast my pearls before them.
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No one said I treated them like lepers. I actually treat lepers better  . At least a leper is ill through no fault of his own. (Lepers are also totally curable) Liberals not only do those sinful things but they take pleasure in those who do them also and try to encourage more to commit them. That being said, I try to be gracious and polite towards them. I try to give them the benfit of the doubt. But I will not associate myself with them.
John_O - with all due respect, this is one of the saddest things that I've read here. Nothing anyone here says will be able to change your mind - only the Lord can do that. But if we hate and disparage those we don't agree with - or stereotype them - then we miss the whole point of the gospel. And trust me, if your feelings about liberals are this negative - there is no way that anyone who is liberal is going to believe for one moment that you love them. (We usually know when people love and respect us - it isn't about the words we say - we communicate without words so often - and quite loudly). It is one thing to disagree with liberalism - or to say that you wouldn't marry someone who is liberal. We all have our preferences and no one wants to fight all the time. Nothing is wrong with that. But it is another to claim Christ then totally condemn and stereotype people - simply because they have a different take than you on how to deal with social and political issues. To be saved is to believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and to confess that with your mouth. To be saved isn't to vote republican (or democrat for that matter) - and if we think it is - then I would say that we are dangerously close to putting politics and culture before Christ. And that then, would make our politics an idol. And we know what God does to idols.
I am center left - a moderate liberal. I've voted for republicans and also for democrats - I look at a broad range of issues of which abortion is one. I am not immoral, pro-murder, anti-christian, or swine, nor do I take pleasure in sinful things. I vote for democrats who are pro-life (there are more than you might think) and think that there are many different ways to support the pro-life movement. In fact, I feel that if we could open up the fight against abortion and not just align it with one party - we'd be much better off - as I know of many liberal Christians who also would fight for this - but do not vote republican because they do not agree with the republican party on other biblical issues, such as how to deal with poverty (this is a big one and incidentally is one of the major reasons that women consider abortion in the first place - close to 60% of women who have abortions have said that it is because "they can't afford another baby"). I personally think abortion has to be fought on a number of fronts. It seems to me, that if there are pro-choice democrats and republicans (or republicans that are lukewarm about the whole issue) that are blocking these measures, then it makes sense that we think outside of the box and make this a bi-partisan effort. If a sizeable group of christian (and non-christian) democrats and independents (even if it is a very vocal minority) and republicans can come together on this issue - we can influence both parties and overturn it - even if we have to dismantle it piece by piece. There are polls and surveys that suggest that many democrats would like to place limitations on abortions - in terms of when and under what circumstances (I'll be happy to find this information for you). So, we can probably make inroads if we focus on those areas and partner with them. I also think there are some other ways to approach this issue too - we can take the moral stance - but to get more support - we can also look at it from the damage it does psychologically and physically. Since most women who get abortions are not teenagers, but women in their 30s - as well as poor women (and black and hispanic women) - I think we can take a look at why women made this decision and address issues that way. We can also fight it on other fronts - among the intellectuals, in the universities, in popular culture, at the local level, or even with something as simple as making sure that there are pro-life pregnancy crisis centers and spending time there to keep it operating. There are lots of ways to fight this and lots of people who are doing these things and more. Just because you don't know about what people are doing because you've already written off everyone who is liberal as "immoral" and "taking pleasure in sin" and you won't associate with them - doesn't mean this isn't happening or that there aren't people who are just as committed to ending this.
We can go to the abortion thread or talk about it off-line if you want so that we don't further take this thread off-topic. But I felt very strongly about this - it isn't fair to paint all liberals with the same brush. And as we have seen from different allegations over the past few years in congress - immorality comes from both parties - republican and democrat. It is a matter of the heart.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 11:42:09 PM
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rgod
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One can really associate with people who hold drastically different outlooks on life without compromising their own values. It may limit what activities can be shared and the depth of the friendship that is formed, but it is through association with others that we are best able to share our faith with those around us. When we see in those around us the same value God sees in them, and demonstrate our love for those around us as God does we can really impact a persons life for the kingdom of God; however, when we treat the ungodly as "lepers" and demonstrate disdain for them, the will see a distorted puture of who God is in our life. This just needed to be said again. One of my longest and best friends is liberal and my friendship with her grows my faith. Through our discussions God always reminds me why I believe what I do and I have found the relationship does not cause my beliefs to crumble so much as causes them to cement.
Amen Joy and Benelchi!
Forgot to answer the other questions. I think it would be hard to be married to an arrogant (someone else said stubborn or inflexible) person. I can bend a lot, but if I had to bend all of the time, eventually I'd get to the point where I'd become inflexible in return - and that really wouldn't be very good for the marriage - so I'd have to say "no deal" - yes this does seem to be the new DOND thread!
I could deal with fame - but character would probably be a bigger determinant.
I could deal with insecurity - particularly if he were working his way through it. After all, no one is perfect and everyone is growing.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/17/2008 11:56:51 PM
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SamsonUSA
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The democrats bear a huge similarity to the nazi party. Both are strongly socialist and anti-life.
I am a Christian, an American, a conservative and a Republican in that order. I do not date liberals (which is interchangeable with democrats). I do not even associate with them if I can avoid it.
I will not associate with someone who is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-family or anti-Christian. Most democrats willingly adhere to those ideas and the rest support them anyway. I try to not associate with people who support people who adhere to thsoe ideas.
Sorry. I drifted into rant mode for a moment. This is a very passionate and very black and white issue for me.
I myself would not marry a democrat because the values of those in the democratic party are not values I hold, and these value differences are in areas that are very important to me. However, I would and do associate with democrats all of the time just as I do with conservatives who do not hold Christian values, and many do not. From my experiences with some of the most liberal people in the country, I can tell you that you have completely mis-characterized many liberals. In California, the marriage amendment that prohibits gay marriage that was just passed in our local election was supported by a large percentage of democrats; it would not have passed without their support. The reality is that there are many pro-family, pro-Christian, anti-homosexual, and even pro-life liberals, and even though I do not understand how they can reconcile their support for the democratic party with the values the espouse, the reality is that they simply do not meet your "stereo type." If you were to associate with more of them, you would quickly realize that your perception of liberalism is deeply flawed! While do understand not condoning liberalism, I cannot understand at all the idea of not associating with liberals. The example of Christ in the gospels seems to me to stand in stark contrast to that course of action.
(Please note that I use the current definition of liberalism as opposed to the classical definition. A liberal is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, anti-religion (specifically anti-Christian) and usually anti-family. These are the defining charcateristics of liberalism in this day and age. Every liberal program advances these ideas)
The marriage ammendment is just one small issue. While it's good that some liberals have enough sense to understand the issues involved I'd wager that most of them still vote democrat hence advancing the cause of sexual perversion in this country.
I have no problem sharing the gospel with liberals, or ministering to them when they are in need. But I will not allow myself to be closely enough associated with liberals to be infected by their ideas. I've been familiar with enough of them in the past to realize that their ideas are deeply flawed and that they stand against everything that makes America free and great. How can two walk together less they agree. I disagree with liberals on almost everything, therefore I cannot walk with them.
How are you defining liberal? If they are pro-family, pro-life, pro-Christian, anti-homosexual then they are not really liberal. Although if they still vote democrat then they are stealth liberals. Saying they are against these things yet secretly supporting them.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/18/2008 12:01:21 AM
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SamsonUSA
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It's definitely true that there are pro-life Democrats around. And at the same time there are anti-life Republicans as well. So it becomes hard to paint everyone in the same party with one brush.
This is an excellent point.
Examine the impact that a pro-life democrat voter has. He votes for democrat candidates, of which more than 99% will be pro-abortion. So even though he is pro-life he votes pro-death. (I do not understand how anyone can delude themselves so completely as to think this is OK) His entire effect upon the political process is to advance abortion.
Now examine the impact of a pro-abortion republican. He votes for candidates that are usually (probably at least 75%) pro-life.
While I cannot paint all republicans as pro-life (and I do not), I can paint all democrats as pro-abortion because the results of their political activity ALWAYS advances abortion.
So I could not marry a liberal (democrat) as they are pro-abortion (which is the murder of the child) and God says "Thou shalt not murder"
I disagree with your assertion that voting for a Democrat always advances the murder of children. There are definitely pro-life candidates in the DNC. Senators Bob Casey and Ben Nelson spring to mind off the top of my head and I think there's a few others.
By electing a democrat (even a pro-life one) you are giving power and prestige to the democrat party, which is resoundingly pro-abortion. Many people tend to vote for whomever they think will win. So by giving prestife to the democrats you are making it easier for these less well informed voters to also vote democrat, thus advancing abortion. If these "pro-life" democrats were really pro-life why would they be supporting a pro-abortion party? These guys support the democrat leadership. Teh democrat leadership does everything it can to protect abortion in this country. It's the sacrament of the democrat party.
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And sadly where I live there are no pro-life candidates on the ballot. Are you thinking, then, that by going to the polls that I am advocating abortion because I invariably have to vote for a pro-abortion candidate? As it is, I will still vote for the candidate that most closely alligns themselves with my views, even if they don't agree on the sanctity of life.
In this case you have to hold you nose and vote for the one will cause the least harm. Kind of like in the last presidential election. Both candidates would be sending us to hell in a hand basket but with McCain the trip would have taken much longer.
Sniff, sniff. I was so proud of brother John_O that this post brought a tear to my eye. Amen again!
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/18/2008 12:10:34 AM
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rgod
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A crumudgeon? Probably not. I had to work for a long time to be positive on a consistent basis. Now it is part of my character. I wouldn't want to go backwards on this. What about you BugLady?
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/18/2008 12:26:35 AM
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When it comes to someone who is different politically (since I started that question I guess I should answer it) I would date and might marry someone who is different politically but we would still have to have similar enough values. I can see why someone would want to marry a person who is close to them politically because often one's values correspond with their politics.
I don't agree with those who seem to say that if someone is mistaken (even if they are mistaken because of foolish/sinful reasons) in something like politics that they are automatically someone to be treated with disdain. I am a conservative but I know I am often hold wrong and even sinful attitudes. I have realized over the years how wrong I have been on many important issues. I am not excusing sinful worldviews but I don't think that someone should be treated terribly just because they see things differently in politics. Paul even talks about believers who think that eating meat sacrificed to idols is wrong and he talks to those who belief differently. He tells both groups to get along. He spends more time talking about how they should treat each other with respect than telling them how they should belief on this issue. I do think that opinions and beliefs and worldviews are important and that we should strive to have the wisest view on things such as politics. But I don't think that liberals in general are anything like the religous people in Jesus' day who selfishly turned people away from God. I am not saying you have to marry them. I believe many people are severly mistaken in their political views but I don't think they are that bad and should be treated as worse Chrisitans.
"In the essentials, let there be unity. In the nonessentials, let their be liberty. In everything, let there be charity."
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/18/2008 12:36:48 AM
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rgod
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"In the essentials, let there be unity. In the nonessentials, let their be liberty. In everything, let there be charity."
I agree with you willfs. I know this quote doesn't originate with you, but I think this sums up the point quite nicely.
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RE: The "would you marry thread......." - 12/18/2008 12:53:52 AM
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The focus of this thread is about MARRYING someone. This is not about just mingling with people whose most every core value clashes with yours. That can't be helped, and everyone is entitled to their opinion on things. The conservative and liberal commentary- some strongly felt stuff there. I don't understand what all the beef and spin-off is on stuff, though. As I said, this is about all of us and marrying someone. Not about what we think about other people's reasoning.
Twinkly started making a point by listing out a bunch of things. If this is a great way to learn things about others in forum, that's great. Please don't blow the point of the thread away by sounding off that Jesus wouldn't consider marriage the way someone else is, or that their thinking about marriage isn't logical. Come on, people! I've seen y'all better than this.
Thanks!
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