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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/30/2009 10:14:53 PM
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Do you think when God was revealing all the information to John in the book of Revelation that it all made sense to him?
So Genesis is Apocalyptic literature?
No.
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/30/2009 11:28:51 PM
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No.
Then it's not fair to compare John misunderstanding some visions to the writers of Genesis communicating nonsensically to their readers.
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/31/2009 9:14:57 AM
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No.
Then it's not fair to compare John misunderstanding some visions to the writers of Genesis communicating nonsensically to their readers.
Why? They were both being inspired to write down scripture for later people to read. If John didn't fully understand what God was telling him to write, do you think maybe some of the other writers didn't full understand what God was telling them to pen?
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/31/2009 12:00:08 PM
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Why? They were both being inspired to write down scripture for later people to read. If John didn't fully understand what God was telling him to write, do you think maybe some of the other writers didn't full understand what God was telling them to pen?
You're on the edge of a slippery slope here, friend. If we take one more step, we can preform all sorts of acrobatic hermeneutical blunders. Maybe Paul didn't understand what he was writing when he wrote Romans 10, so hey, maybe he was never saved. Oh, but wait, we have his conversion account in Acts - but what if Luke didn't understand what he was writing, because it didn't really happen that way? So really, we have no way of knowing if we'll be seeing Paul in heaven or not, since he may have never understood the gospel message.
John says in his writing that he doesn't understand. The author of Genesis doesn't say this. Therefore, we cannot assume he didn't understand just to squeeze our viewpoint on Scripture.
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/31/2009 3:43:42 PM
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Why? They were both being inspired to write down scripture for later people to read. If John didn't fully understand what God was telling him to write, do you think maybe some of the other writers didn't full understand what God was telling them to pen?
You're on the edge of a slippery slope here, friend. If we take one more step, we can preform all sorts of acrobatic hermeneutical blunders. Maybe Paul didn't understand what he was writing when he wrote Romans 10, so hey, maybe he was never saved. Oh, but wait, we have his conversion account in Acts - but what if Luke didn't understand what he was writing, because it didn't really happen that way? So really, we have no way of knowing if we'll be seeing Paul in heaven or not, since he may have never understood the gospel message.
John says in his writing that he doesn't understand. The author of Genesis doesn't say this. Therefore, we cannot assume he didn't understand just to squeeze our viewpoint on Scripture.
You are stretching the point I am trying to make. I am not saying they all had no idea what was going on. I am only referring to the Holy Spirit impressing the writer to put Us instead of me or I. I am not saying that that Paul, John, Peter or whoever else had no idea what they were writing. I am just saying the Holy Spirit could have impressed on the writer to write Us and not explain it fully to him. I do not however think the writer just accidentally put Us down. I believe the bible is the inspired word of God, so to think some of the writers just messed up and put certain things jeopardizes a lot more than thinking the Holy Spirit inspired some of the writers to write things without full explanation. And comparing the Gospel message and salvation with the word Us is really stretching my point.
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/31/2009 6:35:08 PM
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I am not saying they all had no idea what was going on.
No, you're not. But by claiming that the author of Genesis had no idea why he put "us," even though nothing in the text suggests he didn't understand it, it opens the door for others to make similar claims about other parts of Scripture, as I did above.
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I do not however think the writer just accidentally put Us down.
Me neither.
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I believe the bible is the inspired word of God
Me too.
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/31/2009 6:52:45 PM
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Mr. Fribbles. Perhaps if you have heard the voice of God you'd understand it's power and what it can do to a man. When you are spoken to you do exactly as it says. It has a certain overpowering presence to it. You won't want to even question it. The questions come much later.
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RE: 1st Reference to Christ & the Holy Spirit in OT? - 1/31/2009 8:48:11 PM
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I am not saying they all had no idea what was going on.
No, you're not. But by claiming that the author of Genesis had no idea why he put "us," even though nothing in the text suggests he didn't understand it, it opens the door for others to make similar claims about other parts of Scripture, as I did above.
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I do not however think the writer just accidentally put Us down.
Me neither.
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I believe the bible is the inspired word of God
Me too.
I never said the writer didn't understand the trinity. I was referring to what others were saying about how it could have been an accident. I was just saying even if the writer didn't fully understand it (the trinity), doesn't mean the Us wasn't intentional. There are no mistakes in the bible, everything was inspired. I am glad you agree, I think we were just misunderstanding one anothers point.
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