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The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 1:02:52 PM
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Heavendweller
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A question came to mind this morning, one in which I need some clarification. I've often heard Christians express a sentiment that while there may be various disagreements in the Body of Christ, it is imperative that the "essentials" are agreed upon.
I'd like to know what those of you out in Crosswalk-land understand this term to mean. Just exactly what is it that Christians are compelled to agree upon as the "essentials" of the Christian faith?
I look forward to your comments.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 1:32:02 PM
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ABC's of Faith
Admit-“[Jesus] proved He had a valid claim [to His Deity] but His own rejected His claim yet as many as receives His message; to them he claimed the right to become redeemed of God and appropriate His Name.“ John 1:11,12
Believe-“[you can be] freed from the arrogance that enslaves you [and] come into His obedience resulting in purification and Eternal Life. For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of is Eternal Life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 3:22,23
Confess-“[His message] is near you, in your mouth and in your heart"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching that if you confess [obedience to] Jesus as Lord with your mouth and you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes resulting in righteousness and with his mouth he confesses resulting in [obedience].” Romans 10:8-10
Charles Colson wrote('The Body')after claiming that obedience/sacrifice/Victory the three 'minimum' sacraments are communion(sharing the Lord table with the saints), baptism(identification with His teaching and His Church community)and church membership, literal or tacit but would a person settle for the 'minimum'?
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 1:54:38 PM
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I Cor. 3:11-15
11. For other foundation can no man lay than
that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 2:32:50 PM
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The Nicene Creed covers it nicely.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 4:56:33 PM
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Paul seems to summarize it well in the following passage.
1 Cor 15:1-5 "Now, brothers, I must remind you of the Good News which I proclaimed to you, and which you received, and on which you have taken your stand, and by which you are being saved - provided you keep holding fast to the message I proclaimed to you. For if you don't, your trust will have been in vain. For among the first things I passed on to you was what I also received, namely this: the Messiah died for our sins, in accordance with what the Tanakh says; and he was buried; and he was raised on the third day, in accordance with what the Tanakh says; and he was seen by Kefa, then by the Twelve;"
Of course, this makes a basic understanding of the Tanakh an essential, for one can not understand the context of the Sacrifice.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 5:44:02 PM
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The Trinity esp. the divinity of Christ. This separates out Jehovah's Witness and Mormon's.
I predict you will find lack of agreement as to what the essentials are.
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ORIGINAL: Heavendweller
A question came to mind this morning, one in which I need some clarification. I've often heard Christians express a sentiment that while there may be various disagreements in the Body of Christ, it is imperative that the "essentials" are agreed upon.
I'd like to know what those of you out in Crosswalk-land understand this term to mean. Just exactly what is it that Christians are compelled to agree upon as the "essentials" of the Christian faith?
I look forward to your comments.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/15/2009 7:28:44 PM
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/16/2009 11:28:27 AM
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Answering this question is exactly why the church has written creeds. Unfortunately, many churches today refuse to even look at them.
The Apostles' Creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ,
His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of his Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and he shall come again, with glory, to judge both the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord, and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church; I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
AMEN.
The Athanasian Creed
Whoever wills to be in a state of salvation, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic [1] faith, which except everyone shall have kept whole and undefiled without doubt he will perish eternally.
Now the catholic faith is that we worship One God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is One, the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit; the Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated; the father infinite, the Son infinite, and the Holy Spirit infinite; the Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet not three eternals but one eternal, as also not three infinites, nor three uncreated, but one uncreated, and one infinite. So, likewise, the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty; and yet not three almighties but one almighty. So the Father is God, the Son God, and the Holy Spirit God; and yet not three Gods but one God. So the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; and yet not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be both God and Lord; so are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, there be three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made nor created but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son, not made nor created nor begotten but proceeding. So there is one Father not three Fathers, one Son not three Sons, and one Holy Spirit not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity there is nothing before or after, nothing greater or less, but the whole three Persons are coeternal together and coequal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Trinity in Unity and the Unity in Trinity is to be worshipped. He therefore who wills to be in a state of salvation, let him think thus of the Trinity.
But it is necessary to eternal salvation that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. The right faith therefore is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man. He is God of the substance of the Father begotten before the worlds, and He is man of the substance of His mother born in the world; perfect God, perfect man subsisting of a reasoning soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who although He be God and Man yet He is not two but one Christ; one however not by conversion of the Godhead in the flesh, but by taking of the Manhood in God; one altogether not by confusion of substance but by unity of Person. For as the reasoning soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, from whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life eternal, and they who indeed have done evil into eternal fire.
This is the catholic faith, which except a man shall have believed faithfully and firmly he cannot be in a state of salvation.
1. apostolic/universal
The Chalcedonian Creed
Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/16/2009 5:06:24 PM
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Many do not give much credence to the creeds because they tend to enshrine docrine in addition to Scripture. Many also, pay little attention to rabbinic writings, the creeds of Yeshua's day, for the very same reason.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/17/2009 7:37:05 PM
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"If you love me keep my commandments"
"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."
The essential for any who calls themselves Christian is to incorporate the words and teachings of Jesus into their everyday lives. Look at the threads in this forum and you will see that the least quoted Biblical figure may well be Jesus himself!
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/17/2009 7:55:11 PM
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"If you love me keep my commandments"
"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."
The essential for any who calls themselves Christian is to incorporate the words and teachings of Jesus into their everyday lives. Look at the threads in this forum and you will see that the least quoted Biblical figure may well be Jesus himself!
Good point. Even those who say the Apistolic Writings(new testiment) prefer to quote the epistles.
That said, if you notice Yeshua(Jesus) says, "keep my commandments" This means that there is more than one.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/17/2009 7:56:30 PM
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Well, what makes a Christian a Christian is their belief in Jesus and that he paid the penalty for their sin. And that's it.
However, there are certain things implicit in this statement of faith. These center largely on who God is, and on the person and work of Jesus. And there will be subtle disagreements on this. The not-so-subtle disagreements, to me, are reserved for those who think they're Christians and really aren't, like Mormons and Jehovah's Witness.
Example: The Calvinism/Arminianism debate. If you don't know what this is, I'm sure someone will be happy to tell you. There's also a 1-stop thread for it. The fact is that very few people fall completely on one side or the other. There tends to be a lot of overlap, and in the end, they're probably both right in some ways. Many prominent and well-loved brothers in Christ have belonged to each camp.
Speaking for myself, some non-negotiables are as follows:
There is One God, the Father, creator of all created things.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God.
The whole Bible is the Word of God and the sole arbiter of truth.
Jesus came to die for my sins.
Jesus rose from the dead.
Jesus will return to earth in the flesh.
The other stuff is much debated.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/18/2009 9:10:23 AM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: Helenxbz
"If you love me keep my commandments"
"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."
The essential for any who calls themselves Christian is to incorporate the words and teachings of Jesus into their everyday lives. Look at the threads in this forum and you will see that the least quoted Biblical figure may well be Jesus himself!
Good point. Even those who say the Apistolic Writings(new testiment) prefer to quote the epistles.
That said, if you notice Yeshua(Jesus) says, "keep my commandments" This means that there is more than one.
The Greek term translated as commandments is the term “entolas” which connoted "precepts, directions or teachings". Jesus taught many things. In John 14:15 he seems to be referring to them. In John 15:12 he is crystallizing them.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 10:37:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
Many do not give much credence to the creeds because they tend to enshrine doctrine in addition to Scripture. Many also, pay little attention to rabbinic writings, the creeds of Yeshua's day, for the very same reason.
I challenge anybody to state one thing they know about God or Scripture that is not doctrine, whether it is false doctrine or true doctrine.
The OP was: " Just exactly what is it that Christians are compelled to agree upon as the "essentials" of the Christian faith?"
This can only be answered by statements of doctrine. If you call that "enshrining doctrine", so be it. The fact remains that this question has been repeatedly asked throughout the ages and the church has responded by referring to the four standard creeds.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 11:29:00 AM
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I personally feel Hank Hannegraf has done a great job of presenting a "Creed of Essentials" on his website - equip.org:
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The Essentials of Christianity
Essential Christianity. We hear a lot of discussion about essentials and non-essentials, but what are the essentials of Christianity?
When we talk about the essentials of Christianity we're referring to the basic elements that make up and characterize our faith, and which, of course, separate it from other beliefs. Let's survey these doctrines.
First, we believe in the authority of Scripture, which is another way of saying that the Bible is God's inspired, infallible, and inerrant Word. It's the ultimate source for knowledge about God, as well as the definitive guide for our daily lives.
Next we affirm the existence of a triune God or one God in three distinct persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This God is self-existent, eternal, unchanging, omnipotent, omnipresent, holy, righteous, and loving. God created the universe from nothing and He rules over His creation sovereignly including both human and angelic beings.
We also hold that man is a physical and spiritual being who is created in God's image. But because of his sin or transgression, man has lost his fellowship with God. The extent of sin is so great that its effects continue to this very day in the form of cruelty, suffering, and death.
By God's grace, Jesus Christ - Who is fully God and fully man - was sent to save us from our bondage to sin. We believe that Christ was born of a virgin, died for our sins, physically rose from the dead, and will one day return to judge the world and deliver His people. Faith in Christ is the only means by which mankind can escape eternal damnation and judgment.
Finally, we recognize the church as God's ordained institution headed by Christ. The church is composed of all believers, and is organized for worship, for fellowship, for the administration of the sacraments, for spiritual growth and support, and for evangelizing the world.
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I challenge anybody to state one thing they know about God or Scripture that is not doctrine, whether it is false doctrine or true doctrine. Thank you, DougHorton, for this insightful and spot-on comment! I am thoroughly dismayed by the disdain so many posting on these theology threads hold in regards to doctrine. It is a sorry day in Christendom when basic Truths of God's Word are relegated to offhand statements about enshrinement.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 11:48:39 AM
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Finished this in our readings this morning.
II John 6
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments (teachings).
This is the commandment (teaching), That, as ye have heard from the
beginning, ye should walk in it.
The "love" is walking in his commandments.
The "commandment" is to love one another. (v.5)
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 2:30:52 PM
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I challenge anybody to state one thing they know about God or Scripture that is not doctrine, whether it is false doctrine or true doctrine.
Anything can be manipulated into conforming to the concept of doctrine in the most general terms, even a grocery list. The better challenge is to cite where in the Gospels Jesus teaches the doctrine of the Trinity or the Immaculate Conception or the Inerrancy of Scripture or Total Depravity… or on and on.
There is not one Christian I know of, Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist or any denomination who would take issue with the words and teachings of Jesus. They take issue with the words and teachings of lesser figures by picking and choosing verses to fit their particular need.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 2:47:15 PM
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The better challenge is to cite where in the Gospels Jesus teaches the doctrine of the Trinity or the Immaculate Conception or the Inerrancy of Scripture or Total Depravity… or on and on. Doug specifically used the word "Scripture" which includes at least 66 Books of the Bible. Are you revising the essentials of Christian faith to prioritize four Books over 62 others, Helen?
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 4:20:40 PM
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The better challenge is to cite where in the Gospels Jesus teaches the doctrine of the Trinity or the Immaculate Conception or the Inerrancy of Scripture or Total Depravity… or on and on. Doug specifically used the word "Scripture" which includes at least 66 Books of the Bible. Are you revising the essentials of Christian faith to prioritize four Books over 62 others, Helen?
First, it is not an essential Christian belief that all biblical teaching are of the same import. That is the doctrinal belief a certain Christians...
I believe that, as a Christian, all other scripture must be seen through the lens of the words and teachings of Jesus. Without question.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 4:24:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
Many do not give much credence to the creeds because they tend to enshrine doctrine in addition to Scripture. Many also, pay little attention to rabbinic writings, the creeds of Yeshua's day, for the very same reason.
I challenge anybody to state one thing they know about God or Scripture that is not doctrine, whether it is false doctrine or true doctrine.
The OP was: " Just exactly what is it that Christians are compelled to agree upon as the "essentials" of the Christian faith?"
This can only be answered by statements of doctrine. If you call that "enshrining doctrine", so be it. The fact remains that this question has been repeatedly asked throughout the ages and the church has responded by referring to the four standard creeds.
I know you asked for just one example, but here are two passages that are not doctrine. They are directly from the mouth of Adonai.
(Deut 6:4-9) "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates."
(Ex 20:2-17) "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 4:42:47 PM
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I believe that, as a Christian, all other scripture must be seen through the lens of the words and teachings of Jesus.
Very well:
Matthew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
Luke 24:27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
It seems that Jesus was under the impression that "all the Scriptures" spoke of Him and that He held them all up in high esteem.
Oh sorry -- I made a statement about d*ctr*ne.
The fact remains that the church in the 21st century did not appear out of a vacuum. We would be most foolish to ignore the wisdom of our brothers in Christ who went before us. Whether they were right or wrong, we should study what they had to say. And where they came together and agreed on a statement of faith, the modern church would do well to sit up and pay attention.
Is there anything in any of the four creeds I posted that anyone disagrees with? If so, you need to remember that they were all written in such a way that if you disagree, you would be rightly labeled a heretic.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 4:47:26 PM
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quote:
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The better challenge is to cite where in the Gospels Jesus teaches the doctrine of the Trinity or the Immaculate Conception or the Inerrancy of Scripture or Total Depravity… or on and on. Doug specifically used the word "Scripture" which includes at least 66 Books of the Bible. Are you revising the essentials of Christian faith to prioritize four Books over 62 others, Helen?
First, it is not an essential Christian belief that all biblical teaching are of the same import. That is the doctrinal belief a certain Christians...
I believe that, as a Christian, all other scripture must be seen through the lens of the words and teachings of Jesus. Without question.
Many of the words and teachings of Jesus cannot be understood at all without the other 62 books. I cannot dispute that Jesus illuminates scripture more than anyone else. He is God, after all, and all scripture points to him. But I think you need a more holistic approach to scripture.
All scripture is inspired and useful... Paul said it. If it is not all equally valuable, then it has feet of clay, so to speak.
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 4:49:16 PM
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I know you asked for just one example, but here are two passages that are not doctrine. They are directly from the mouth of Adonai.
Sorry -- but those ARE doctrine. Are they not taught? All teaching is doctrine. Even memorizing scripture is doctrine.
http://www.answers.com/topic/doctrine
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doctrine n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic. Something taught; a teaching.
The verses you quoted certainly fit definition #2! And considering that Israel was a theocracy, #3 also. It was certainly religious belief, so there is #1. And, it was passed down from generation to generation by teaching, i.e. #4.
Now, would anybody care to get back on topic and discuss the OP?
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: The "Essentials" - 1/19/2009 4:56:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: DougHorton
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I know you asked for just one example, but here are two passages that are not doctrine. They are directly from the mouth of Adonai.
Sorry -- but those ARE doctrine. Are they not taught? All teaching is doctrine. Even memorizing scripture is doctrine.
http://www.answers.com/topic/doctrine
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doctrine n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic. Something taught; a teaching.
The verses you quoted certainly fit definition #2! And considering that Israel was a theocracy, #3 also. It was certainly religious belief, so there is #1. And, it was passed down from generation to generation by teaching, i.e. #4.
Now, would anybody care to get back on topic and discuss the OP?
So how would you differientiate between what Adonai clearly says and what is derived from the Scriptures, like the trinitarian or holyness doctrines?
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"Show me wherein I have errored and I will hold my tongue." Iyov(Job)
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