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Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/2/2009 12:18:34 PM
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PolarBear
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486684,00.html
So they now think it is under a glacier, which is in turn under 60 feet of boulders. If that were the case, wouldn't it be smashed to smithereens?
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/2/2009 1:04:18 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486684,00.html
So they now think it is under a glacier, which is in turn under 60 feet of boulders. If that were the case, wouldn't it be smashed to smithereens?
Now to the real issue.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/2/2009 1:14:55 PM
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If that were the case, wouldn't it be smashed to smithereens? Why wasn't the Ark "smashed to smithereens" during one+ year of constant pounding by violent seas?
Seriously, PB, how does an OEC interpret 1 Peter 3:20 and 2 Peter 2:5? Just some ignorant misrepresentation of OT fable by the Apostle?
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/2/2009 1:36:21 PM
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I'll bet anyone here $10,000 against a ham sandwich that neither he or anyone else finds it.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/2/2009 2:58:32 PM
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I'll bet anyone here $10,000 against a ham sandwich that neither he or anyone else finds it.
I kinda agree with you but I take a chance.
Give me your address to send the ham sandwich to.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/2/2009 10:03:44 PM
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Why isn't it broken up? Simple, todays work-ethic isn't as good, and they just don't make them as good today, and back when (in my day--ha).
The arc was made of Gopher wood, better known as ****um wood, which does not tend to rot, or be tasty to wood eating bugs. (Or something like that)
If God wants to preserve the arc, until tomorrow, then He has the ability to preserve the arc, until when-ever He decides. He's God.
OK, my jocular moment is over. Bye
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/3/2009 11:39:51 AM
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Seriously, PB, how does an OEC interpret 1 Peter 3:20 and 2 Peter 2:5? Just some ignorant misrepresentation of OT fable by the Apostle?
I don't understand why you think OEC would have a problem with them. I read them as literally as you do!
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/3/2009 12:28:47 PM
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You may read them "literally" but you certainly don't interpret them as I do!
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/3/2009 1:54:42 PM
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OK the texts in question:
who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water
if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
How do you think I interpret them differently? I ask because I once was YEC, and I don't think I interpret them any differently now than I did then.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/3/2009 2:28:56 PM
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PB, this is not a local flood vs. global flood thread. I'm sorry I got us off topic.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/3/2009 5:03:18 PM
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I guess if someone said that they actually climbed on top of it, asked nothing in return, and offered to lead the archaeologist to the site, then I see no reason to believe that they won't at least find something.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/3/2009 7:19:48 PM
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sheesh......Noah's Ark, Ark of the Covenant etc etc etc.... I really struggle with the search for articles of biblical history like this. In a sense, isn't it an effort to somehow "legitimize" our faith and the Word of God to the world? Thereby short circuiting the whole idea of taking God at His word. I kind of feel that the Lord will never allow these things to be found. His entire creation literally screams His glory anyway ! (aka Romans chapters 1 and 2 or really, just look around outside !)... so really, what's the point. The only exception to me would be the Ark of the Covenant which would be an incredible find for all Christians. Nevertheless, would some Christians in our current world culture, begin to worship the created rather than the Creator.... The Ark of the Covenant is important for a lot of reasons, especially if it's contents were still intact. I can see in my heart's eye David dancing in front of the Ark as it was brought to Jerusalem. (properly of course) ... But, Noah's Ark.... hmmmmm... I hear tell of some people in East Asia Minor who reputably have a small piece of wood that was part of the cross that our Savior was crucified upon. People will somehow idolize it in my mind..... anyway, convince me otherwise and I will change my thinking...
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/5/2009 9:26:24 PM
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If the Arc was ever found and proven to be the Ark of the OT, I would be instantly transformed from a ardent non-believer to a devout believer, but of course it won't be found.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/5/2009 10:26:10 PM
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If the Arc was ever found and proven to be the Ark of the OT, I would be instantly transformed from a ardent non-believer to a devout believer, but of course it won't be found. If one kind of animal was ever found to reproduce into a different kind of animal, I would be instantly transformed from an ardent Believer to a devout atheist, but of course it won't be found.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/6/2009 7:08:43 AM
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If that were the case, wouldn't it be smashed to smithereens? Why wasn't the Ark "smashed to smithereens" during one+ year of constant pounding by violent seas?
Because a floating boat has stresses spread across it's entire bottom which is designed to survive the forces. A boat trapped under tons of ice and boulders in a glacier being ground, pulled, and sheared for thousands of years would be destroyed.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/6/2009 7:39:30 AM
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Because a floating boat has stresses spread across it's entire bottom which is designed to survive the forces. Thank you, jjp. I appreciate that you have nicely eliminated one of the common arguments against the Flood as historically documented in Genesis.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/6/2009 2:14:48 PM
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If the Arc was ever found and proven to be the Ark of the OT, I would be instantly transformed from a ardent non-believer to a devout believer, but of course it won't be found.
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If the Arc was ever found and proven to be the Ark of the OT, I would be instantly transformed from a ardent non-believer to a devout believer, but of course it won't be found. If one kind of animal was ever found to reproduce into a different kind of animal, I would be instantly transformed from an ardent Believer to a devout atheist, but of course it won't be found.
HAHAHA! Of course, these were both said tongue in cheek, but I can't help but respond. No lasting faith can be formed based on a subjective experience, and no true christian can loose their faith.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/7/2009 5:48:50 AM
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Because a floating boat has stresses spread across it's entire bottom which is designed to survive the forces. Thank you, jjp. I appreciate that you have nicely eliminated one of the common arguments against the Flood as historically documented in Genesis.
Now that depends are you talking about a flood or are you talking about the current coception that not only was it a flood but all the lava flows, all the tectonic movement, and the uprising of all the mountains happened in those few short months? Becaue there isn't any way a boat would survive that.
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/7/2009 9:47:53 AM
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No lasting faith can be formed based on a subjective experience,
Why not?
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and no true christian can loose their faith.
How so?
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/7/2009 9:54:17 AM
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RE: Yet Another Noah's Ark Expedition - 2/7/2009 9:57:12 AM
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No lasting faith can be formed based on a subjective experience,
Why not?
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How so? Take it to the Salvation threads before we get our hands slapped again!
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