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The times a coming! - 2/6/2009 9:35:56 AM
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1 Thessalonians 3:8) For now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord.
Hebrews 10:23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.
Why stand fast, why hold fast, because this world is venom to the soul, toxic and harmful, when the bible speaks of the falling away in the faith how big is it! When people will have tendency to fall into perdition and destruction because they chose not to stand fast in the Lord, but rather to drift away from his love! O I say that the day of the Lord is coming! 1 Corinthians 15:52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and Matthew 24:27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Now all those in Christ shall resurrect first and Revelation 20:6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This day we are to be watching for, but those temporal elements and rudiments of the world which will fade away and die, we must not get distracted by, lest the Lord come and we are not watching, Luke 12:39) And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. And this is a warning from the Lord, that we all need to heed, lest he catch us sleeping and we know what happen to that servant
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45) But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46) The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
People tend to forget that Psalm 90:4) For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. unto the Lord. and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, o how terrible it is when people act like they have all the time in the world. Like the life of a man is much length and wont wither away like a flower. O how terrible it is when people underestimate or fail to understand time from a heavenly perspective, not realizing 2 Peter 3:8) that one day is with the Lord a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Jesus was preaching the gospel saying that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and that was a bit under 2000 years ago!
Mark 13:28) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Now look at the year 1948 and see what event took place and unfolded.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/6/2009 2:39:04 PM
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And this is a warning from the Lord, that we all need to heed, lest he catch us sleeping and we know what happen to that servant
Are you proclaiming an alternate soteriology here? Are you asserting that the blood of Jesus Christ is not good enough, not sufficient, to secure our eternal salvation? What Jesus did for us on Calvary doesn't count, unless we add to God's work, improve upon it, with our work of alertness?
Enquiring minds want to know!
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/6/2009 4:47:14 PM
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And this is a warning from the Lord, that we all need to heed, lest he catch us sleeping and we know what happen to that servant
Are you proclaiming an alternate soteriology here? Are you asserting that the blood of Jesus Christ is not good enough, not sufficient, to secure our eternal salvation? What Jesus did for us on Calvary doesn't count, unless we add to God's work, improve upon it, with our work of alertness?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Now is God a favor of persons, Nay. When God gives a warning, is it not for all to heed?
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/7/2009 4:12:46 AM
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When God gives a warning, is it not for all to heed?
Good question. Depends on who He gave the warning to.
Do I need to heed His warning (through Jeremiah) against forming a military allegiance to Pharaoh's Egypt?
If not, should I eliminate Jeremiah from my Bible as irrelevant? Or should I read these "obsolete" warnings with with grateful awareness of how faithful God was to keep His promises in the past?
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/7/2009 7:50:05 PM
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Now is God a favor of persons, Nay. When God gives a warning, is it not for all to heed?
This is the sense that I mean
Ezekiel 18:20) "The soul that sinneth, it shall die"
Now when we look at this verse, isn't it a strong warning against all people, everyone to flee from their wicked ways, a warning for us to flee from sin. Again
Matthew 7:21) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Now isn't this warning to all people, all of us to know the Father's will so we can live lives pleasing and acceptable in His site, A Warning for all people whether they know it or not?
These are the type of warning I was referring to, whether one is a Christian or not, these warnings apply to all because God is not a favor of persons.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/7/2009 7:59:43 PM
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Are you proclaiming an alternate soteriology here? Are you asserting that the blood of Jesus Christ is not good enough, not sufficient, to secure our eternal salvation? What Jesus did for us on Calvary doesn't count, unless we add to God's work, improve upon it, with our work of alertness?
Enquiring minds want to know!
copper - you didn't address his questions. Can you please?
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/7/2009 8:22:05 PM
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And this is a warning from the Lord, that we all need to heed, lest he catch us sleeping and we know what happen to that servant
Are you proclaiming an alternate soteriology here? Are you asserting that the blood of Jesus Christ is not good enough, not sufficient, to secure our eternal salvation? What Jesus did for us on Calvary doesn't count, unless we add to God's work, improve upon it, with our work of alertness?
Enquiring minds want to know!
How am I ever asserting or saying that blasphemy, that the blood of Christ is not good enough? It is only by the blood of the Lord one can be justified and yet to take the sacrifice of the Lord, as in Passover, one must have unleavened bread, untainted gospel. One can love Christ with their lips praising and rejoicing over him with their lips but their heart can be far from him.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/7/2009 9:45:34 PM
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... and yet...
OK, you make my point for me. The blood of Jesus Christ needs to have our good behavior added to it, if we are to be saved. God's work isn't good enough, unless our good works make it perfect, and complete it.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/7/2009 9:46:36 PM
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RJR,
That is also what I am deriving from his/her posts. That salvation is based off of what one can do or cannot do/behavior, etc..
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/8/2009 12:25:33 AM
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So then are you saying that one can go to heaven just by saying the 5 simple words, I believe in Jesus Christ, because the devils have confessed his name. I am not saying that one is justified by works, that is legalism, but am I saying works are expected of us, "faith without works is dead"
One can confess the name of Christ all they want and yet still if they choose to live in the ways/deeds of the flesh, or choose to walk in darkness, or choose to be carnally minded, then how do they have eternal life?
1 John 1:6-7) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light , as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Romans 8:6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Romans 8:13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Now listen
Romans 6
1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Tell me this, doesn't God expect obedience of us? Does He want every living soul to flee from sin and to depart from iniquity? Doesn't God want us to live in the ways of righteousness and the upright way. Now by depending on Him and by His working in us, we can live pleasing lives and succeed and Make it to heaven but if we be disobedient, then wouldn't that just make us lukewarm, because we know what happens to a lukewarm Christian, they are rejected by Christ.
Revelation 3:16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
So if your saying that one can still be accepted by Christ and yet live a lukewarm and unrepented life, ye teach error!
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/8/2009 1:43:46 AM
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That is also what I am deriving from his/her posts. That salvation is based off of what one can do or cannot do/behavior, etc..
It is so easy to create an internally consistent system from a few ideas, then force everything to fit into that system. That's a mental habit I've wrestled with on and off for decades. For example, you can start with a plan of salvation that depends upon self rather than God. Then, since you can't motivate others by recommending gratitude to God for His great gift and "done deal," apply a generous dose of fear -- "You better watch out, or geopolitical warnings given to first-century Jews will get you, and you can go to hades, go directly to hades, do not pass Cavalry, do not collect eternal life." By the time I'd preached that message for a few years, I'd alienated my family. Siblings who'd considered the gospel were repelled from it, and me, by my bizarre rants. More than three decades later, I am still working to overcome the alienation I generated with my weird, hostile, and self-righteous phase.
When you love your family, and yearn to see them "at the Table," that's a heavy cross to bear. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
That's my testimony. At least, the part of it I can share here.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/8/2009 2:29:28 AM
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So then are you saying that one can go to heaven just by saying the 5 simple words, I believe in Jesus Christ, because the devils have confessed his name. I am not saying that one is justified by works, that is legalism, but am I saying works are expected of us, "faith without works is dead"
One can confess the name of Christ all they want and yet still if they choose to live in the ways/deeds of the flesh, or choose to walk in darkness, or choose to be carnally minded, then how do they have eternal life?
The scriptural mandate that believers live lives of obedience seems to have gone by the wayside with many. According to Scripture, one evidence we are saved comes from the fact that we obey the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ(John 14:15; 15:10).
In fact, we will only abide in the love of Christ if we keep His commandments.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/10/2009 11:07:15 AM
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So then are you saying that one can go to heaven just by saying the 5 simple words, I believe in Jesus Christ, because the devils have confessed his name. I am not saying that one is justified by works, that is legalism, but am I saying works are expected of us, "faith without works is dead"
One can confess the name of Christ all they want and yet still if they choose to live in the ways/deeds of the flesh, or choose to walk in darkness, or choose to be carnally minded, then how do they have eternal life?
The scriptural mandate that believers live lives of obedience seems to have gone by the wayside with many. According to Scripture, one evidence we are saved comes from the fact that we obey the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ(John 14:15; 15:10).
In fact, we will only abide in the love of Christ if we keep His commandments.
One evidence that we are saved comes by our desire, even our feelbeist attempts to give gratitude to God for the gift of His Son, Jesus, who solely through what He, Jesus, did accomplish, are we able to one day live in eternity with the triune God and the family of believers. Were I to somehow obey every commandment I knew... call it a perfect life if you want... that in and of itself does not make my faith alive.
If you are going to go and put your best literal definition on God's Word that you can, you cannnot omit that there's zero, zip, nothing you can do all of your own self to 'gain' God's good pleasure. If you do that, then Jesus didn't have to come to earth, didn't have to die as he did, and you are negating what God did in raising His Son from the dead- like God had to do that to get Him back to heaven.
We should look for a giving spirit within ourselves, sure. Don't put all the weight of salvation on your own shoulders, either of you. If you do, you fall short of what's right there in front of you in God's Word.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/10/2009 3:54:48 PM
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Revelation 3:16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev.3:16 is a reference to the Laodician Church, which became lukewarm, then cold and then died out. This verse has nothing to do with my personal salvation. Then you go on to say in Post#10 in such big print that even my poor eyes can read it saying "so if your saying that one can still be accepted by Christ and yet live a lukewarm and unrepented life, ye teach error." If I understand you correctly you are saying that once we`re saved we can unsave ourselves by living an unrepentant life in sin. Now as bad as that may be, we must be reminded that in John 10:28+29 Jesus teaches that once we belong to Him, we`re His forever. You didn`t save yourself and your not going to unsave yourself either. Salvation is the work of God, given to us as a free gift, accepted completely by grace through faith in Christ alone. John 10:28+29 states "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand, My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of My Father`s hand."
If this act of faith in Christ is genuine, the result of that faith will always be good works. However may I make myself clear, my good works didn`t save me in the first place and my good works aren`t going to keep me saved either. The Bible teaches us that salvation is by faith, not by works. With that said and with credit to your post "the times a coming" I do say believers who do live in disobedience will suffer great loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ, though their souls may be saved. At least that`s what the Bible teaches me in 1 Cor.3:10-15.
 YES; the time is coming when all, believers and unbelievers alike, will have to give an account for how they lived their lives while here on earth. However even if we as believers loose our mind in old age and sin, Rom.8:1 tells us "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."  Jesus paid it all!
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/10/2009 4:03:41 PM
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Revelation 3:16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev.3:16 is a reference to the Laodician Church, which became lukewarm, then cold and then died out. This verse has nothing to do with my personal salvation. Then you go on to say in Post#10 in such big print that even my poor eyes can read it saying "so if your saying that one can still be accepted by Christ and yet live a lukewarm and unrepented life, ye teach error." If I understand you correctly you are saying that once we`re saved we can unsave ourselves by living an unrepentant life in sin. Now as bad as that may be, we must be reminded that in John 10:28+29 Jesus teaches that once we belong to Him, we`re His forever. You didn`t save yourself and your not going to unsave yourself either. Salvation is the work of God, given to us as a free gift, accepted completely by grace through faith in Christ alone. John 10:28+29 states "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of My hand, My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of My Father`s hand."
If this act of faith in Christ is genuine, the result of that faith will always be good works. However may I make myself clear, my good works didn`t save me in the first place and my good works aren`t going to keep me saved either. The Bible teaches us that salvation is by faith, not by works. With that said and with credit to your post "the times a coming" I do say believers who do live in disobedience will suffer great loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ, though their souls may be saved. At least that`s what the Bible teaches me in 1 Cor.3:10-15.
YES; the time is coming when all, believers and unbelievers alike, will have to give an account for how they lived their lives while here on earth. However even if we as believers loose our mind in old age and sin, Rom.8:1 tells us "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Jesus paid it all!
AMEN brother!!! Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/10/2009 6:28:24 PM
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When first reading through the OP, I took that as a warning to stay vigilant and be prepared for Christs' coming. I didn't think that the OP was saying that we need to add works to the salvation afforded to us by the work of Christ on the cross.
So I agree with the OP.
I do have a question though
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And this is a warning from the Lord, that we all need to heed, lest he catch us sleeping and we know what happen to that servant
What Jesus did for us on Calvary doesn't count, unless we add to God's work, improve upon it, with our work of alertness?
RJR, how is being alert, or as you put it "with our work of alertness", how is being alert a work? I don't think I understand what you are saying here. Are we not told by the Lord to stay alert? Why wouldn't that apply to us?
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 1:43:08 AM
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When first reading through the OP, I took that as a warning to stay vigilant and be prepared for Christs' coming. I didn't think that the OP was saying that we need to add works to the salvation afforded to us by the work of Christ on the cross.
Are we not told by the Lord to stay alert? Why wouldn't that apply to us?
As for me, there is no need to attach anything to any statement made about John 3:16.
What I saw, and commented on, was that the OP was about works and not about grace. If I didn't ask why, I'm asking why now, because while Christians remain watchful for liar the roaring lion, Christians are not defeated by not being in constant alertness, as some church mentioned in Revelation.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 4:57:59 AM
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So then are you saying that one can go to heaven just by saying the 5 simple words, I believe in Jesus Christ, because the devils have confessed his name. I am not saying that one is justified by works, that is legalism, but am I saying works are expected of us, "faith without works is dead"
One can confess the name of Christ all they want and yet still if they choose to live in the ways/deeds of the flesh, or choose to walk in darkness, or choose to be carnally minded, then how do they have eternal life?
The scriptural mandate that believers live lives of obedience seems to have gone by the wayside with many. According to Scripture, one evidence we are saved comes from the fact that we obey the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ(John 14:15; 15:10).
In fact, we will only abide in the love of Christ if we keep His commandments.
One evidence that we are saved comes by our desire, even our feelbeist attempts to give gratitude to God for the gift of His Son, Jesus, who solely through what He, Jesus, did accomplish, are we able to one day live in eternity with the triune God and the family of believers. Were I to somehow obey every commandment I knew... call it a perfect life if you want... that in and of itself does not make my faith alive. Feelings can be deceptive. The issue isn't whether we obey Christ's commandments perfectly; but, whether we obey them. I would hope we all understand we cannot obey perfectly.
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If you are going to go and put your best literal definition on God's Word that you can... Is Christ speaking metaphorically when He says: "If ye love me, keep my commandments.....If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."? Seems Christ is speaking quite literally because He certainly literally kept the commandments of the Father.
Or yet again when the Lord says: "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him........If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."
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you cannnot omit that there's zero, zip, nothing you can do all of your own self to 'gain' God's good pleasure. If you do that, then Jesus didn't have to come to earth, didn't have to die as he did, and you are negating what God did in raising His Son from the dead- like God had to do that to get Him back to heaven. You are changing the focus. Obeying the commandments of God does not save anyone. But, if one will not obey the commandments of God, Christ says that person does not love Him, does not abide in Him, iow, that person is not saved no matter what he "feels".
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We should look for a giving spirit within ourselves, sure. Don't put all the weight of salvation on your own shoulders, either of you. If you do, you fall short of what's right there in front of you in God's Word.
What's right there in front of us in God's Word is that believers will obey His commandments and will show the fruit which accompanies salvation.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 4:59:40 AM
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Revelation 3:16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev.3:16 is a reference to the Laodician Church, which became lukewarm, then cold and then died out. This verse has nothing to do with my personal salvation. Why not?....churches are filled with individuals only some of whom are saved. The Seven Churches of Revelation are a picture of all churches throughout the NT period.
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Then you go on to say in Post#10 in such big print that even my poor eyes can read it saying "so if your saying that one can still be accepted by Christ and yet live a lukewarm and unrepented life, ye teach error." If I understand you correctly you are saying that once we`re saved we can unsave ourselves by living an unrepentant life in sin. I believe you are misinterpreting what he said. He is speaking to the lack of fruit by those who claim salvation; and, I completely agree with him.
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If this act of faith in Christ is genuine, the result of that faith will always be good works. However may I make myself clear, my good works didn`t save me in the first place and my good works aren`t going to keep me saved either. That is the point. Can a person claim he is saved while living a life of unrepentance and sin? Many who profess Christianity today claim this is possible even though Scripture is clear that believers will obey, be repentant and show fruit.
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The Bible teaches us that salvation is by faith, not by works. With that said and with credit to your post "the times a coming" I do say believers who do live in disobedience will suffer great loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ, though their souls may be saved. At least that`s what the Bible teaches me in 1 Cor.3:10-15. I would very much disagree with your understanding of 1Cor 3. Christ is clear, those who live such lives are none of His.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 9:46:21 AM
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When first reading through the OP, I took that as a warning to stay vigilant and be prepared for Christs' coming. I didn't think that the OP was saying that we need to add works to the salvation afforded to us by the work of Christ on the cross.
Are we not told by the Lord to stay alert? Why wouldn't that apply to us?
As for me, there is no need to attach anything to any statement made about John 3:16.
What I saw, and commented on, was that the OP was about works and not about grace. If I didn't ask why, I'm asking why now, because while Christians remain watchful for liar the roaring lion, Christians are not defeated by not being in constant alertness, as some church mentioned in Revelation.
OneJohn410, while I agree that our salvation is of the Lord, afforded to us by His grace, and by His grace only, is not the natural reaction to our salvation to be good works. Didn't Paul tell us that good works have been in God's plan for us, prepared in advance.
I agree that Christians are not defeated by our lack of alertness. But that wasn't my question. How does staying alert, ready for our Lords return, equal works?
All I know is that some started attacking the OP because they thought he was spouting out a works theology.
I on the other hand when reading through his posts, did not get that out of what he had said. So I felt the need to maybe come to his defense. Not that he needs it.
So that is my point.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 9:48:08 AM
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The question is just how much will one lean to God and let Him work in their lifes upon them. God does not force someone to do something, meaning that if one does not reach for God and seek Him daily, but rather treats salvation as a cheap grace, being friends with the world, what will they get out of it and how can they escape the bondage of iniquity if they don't lean to God and depend on His grace. It is not of our working, but of God's working upon us. Jude 1:24) "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless", notice it is God's working and yet how much we reach for the Lord will make the difference between a lukewarm life and one that is passionate and commited to God and pleasing in His site.
Psalm 143:6) stretch forth my hands unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a thirsty land. Selah.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 11:24:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: Matthew-59
Yes, SavedByGraceMD, after reading the OP's first post here, I got the same impression as you did. I think this thread has gotten totally off topic. It's become an argument about what salvation is or how it is attained. From what I understood after reading the OP's first post, and now this last one (#21), I see that copper25 is only giving a warning to everyone that Christ's return in near, and we ought to be prepared... get saved if you aren't already.
copper25, did I get that right?? ...or did I miss your point?
That is it plain and simply put. When people read it they take it how they want to take it but it was not regaurding works to salvation or grace to slavation despite the fact that some drew to that conclusion.
Romans 8:31) "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?"
The center of our lives should be God and by leaning to His mighty hand and strength I believe we can all prosper and live vigilant lives in the righteousness of Christ Jesus and not of our own. If we lean to God to help us with our infirmities we prosper and if not, then we bear them on our own strength which is of naught for (Psalm 22:29) "none can keep alive his own soul" and (Psalm 39:5) "verily every man at his best state is altogether vanity. Selah." Therefore (Hebrews 4:16) "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." because we certainly can not sustain our own souls, therefore as I have said recently
Psalm 143:6) "I stretch forth my hands unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a thirsty land. Selah."
Our soul thirst for Jeremiah 17:13) "the LORD, the fountain of living waters." Meaning that we need to continually lean to him to guide us and to order our steps because
Psalm 37:23) The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psalm 37:24) Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
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RE: The times a coming! - 2/11/2009 11:59:19 AM
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That is it plain and simply put. When people read it they take it how they want to take it but it was not regarding works to salvation or grace to salvation despite the fact that some drew to that conclusion.
copper25, may I offer you a piece of advice??
If you want to make a point, make that point first and then quote scripture afterward. Reason I say that is I've noticed when people interject a lot of scripture within the body of their written point, it tends to get a little confusing. I believe one reason for that may be because people don't always interpret scripture verses the same and the meaning you are trying to convey may get lost in the process. Hence the misunderstanding by others. That's why I say to include scripture to support your idea or point, but place it after your writings, as much as is possible. I think that will help alleviate some confusion. Did that make sense??
I'm not trying to offend your writing style, but just offering you some of my thoughts that may help you in the future. Writing is kind of a perk of mine, so that's why I say this. Okay?
If you are offended, it wasn't my intention to do so, and you have my humblest apologies.
Peace in Christ,
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