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Bible versions - 2/14/2009 10:16:35 AM
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SirGareth
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I was wondering if anyone had any opinions about which version of the bible (if any) are best?
I hear from some people that only the KJV is the 'real' bible.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/14/2009 1:01:31 PM
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SirGareth, Shalom.
Welcome, and allow me, please, a bit of a flippant answer to your question: the very best Bible is the one in your hands that you are studying, with the Holy Spirits assistance.
KJV is considered the 'OLD' Stand-by, foundational to Christian understanding (which is my primary), but there are other, well stated Bibles which use more modern verbiage (with only minor loss of depth, IMO).
Then there are some, that I would be happy to throw into the Bible burning pire, as, IMO, again, they mis-lead the true meaning of God, by promoting ideas that 'We, the People,' are 'God-like,' and thus are: GOD. Them you do not want to study (some, even are so subtle, most unlearned people will miss the twisting of His word). I will not say which ones I reject, since I am speaking as IMO, but will say, if you have heard the organization may well be a Cult, flee from what they call 'the Bible.'
You have a PC, use it. Go to www.e-sword.net and download the basic, FREE, software. Then you can add to that with things like more Bibles, Maps, Commentaries, Dictionaries, History books, etc. You have the tools, then, to study like the 'Pro's,' who Teach, and Preach. E-sword, also offers 'fee' downloads of Bibles, and such, that are more modern, and still requires payment to use them. I do not use those, as my favorite study in in KJV.
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PS edit: The only 'Best' versions are called Original Hebrew, and Greek.//as//
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RE: Bible versions - 2/14/2009 1:30:31 PM
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terryjohn
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My old English teacher told us once that you can never have enough dictionaries to help wring the most out of each and every word. The same goes for bibles. I have 7 or 8 versions my self and love to compare the way the translate the message of Christ. Fortunately or unfortunately translation and language in general is not an exact science, for if it were there would be more agreement and greater obediance.
As you know there is more than one way to say something there will also be more than one way to translate it. Hence, the various translations. I must admit some are better than others, but I am greatful that even the ones that are not so good make the better ones shine like gold. I personally like seeing how synonyms and anytonyms feel and sound in scripture versus to highlight the truth of the real meaning.
It must however be admitted in relaying the gospel, we do have to come up with words that are appropriate to our listeners, age, education, culture, language etc., for a word will have different meanings for different people in different places at different times for different reasons.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/14/2009 1:34:12 PM
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Credo_ut_Intelligam
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Depends on what you're looking for: more dynamic equivalence or more formal equivalence.
I would use more than one from both ends of the spectrum. As one of my theology professors used to say: ALL translation is interpretation.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/14/2009 2:36:53 PM
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tenderandgentleheart
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SirGareth why don't you see for your self you can check them out on Line at http://bible.christianity.com/ or http://www.blueletterbible.org/ I find everyone has a different Bible that they like. You can check out which one you would like best on line for they are free to use.
May God bless you love Jenny
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RE: Bible versions - 2/15/2009 6:31:12 PM
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hoodleehoo
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KJV is actually the least accurate as it is a really old translation using relatively new documents as the source material. Newer translations are more accurate as they have the dead sea scrolls as source material which is older.
NRSV and NASB are the most accurate as they are literal word for word translations, but can be tough to read because of the odd sentence structures, grammar, etc. Scholars use these as reference mostly, and it is commonly advised that we do the same. The NIV is a literal translation but modifies the sentence structure, grammar, etc. to make it easier to read. It's the best of both worlds and is great for bible study (if you need further research, use the NRSV/NASB).
The Living Bible and The Message, et al are NOT translations, they are "loose translations" and not for bible study as they are one person's opinion on what the original author meant. They are designed for devotionals or used as a supplement to an actual translation.
There ya go! :) At least that's what I was taught in college.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/15/2009 11:58:04 PM
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deermousie
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Good info here.
The KJV was translated into English that is now 400 years old, so it's hard to read and understand. The NKJV is far better and more accurate. I have one and read it regularly.
The NIV and NASB are two of my favorite translations - the NIV for accuracy and easy reading, the NASB for accuracy although the closeness to the Greek sntax makes it harder to read.
These versions were translated from the original Hebrew, Aramaic (part of Daniel) and Greek or are updates from those translations, so it's not a case of translation after translation after translation, as some incorrectly assume, but only once or twice.
There are some "Bibles" floating around that have been deliberately altered: the New World Translation and the Inspired Version are two main ones. They come from cults. God said His Word was forever settled in heaven - 'nuff said.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/16/2009 12:19:09 AM
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The KJV literally stinks. Trust me when I tell you this I have a lot of grief behind that saying that it is the most accurate, it is FALSE!!!!
Has nothing to do with King James being on the throne at that time when it was accepted either. Mainly when folks say KJV they are referring to the orginal version of the 1611.
I have a book on dead sea scrolls that even before KJV was born there was a huge controvery over which text was right. Please folks, the word of God however is written is just that: HIS WORD!
Find a bible that suits you and if you discover you need more than what you've got, then find another one that can satiate you.
I have read the KJV and to me it was a curse (long story as to why) I also have the TNLB,NIV, Inductive NASB, Gideon, My son Read Me NIV Bible and a book that was gifted to me 1885 Heroes of the Bible and bible lands. As a bookmarker in this book is a bible tract from March 15,1891 and the bible tract also give a lesson and asks questions?
Not like todays bible tracts that ask where you want to be Heaven or hell!
They give you a lesson! Imagine that, how times change
Edited to add: All it is, is people fighting over one book and one belief and that is God.
How trivial when you think about it. Our core is Christ, yet He did say He brought a sword, so it depends on what you believe as far as bibles go. To me they all lead to Him
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RE: Bible versions - 2/16/2009 4:26:54 PM
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I think the New American Standard Bible is the best. I have always bought one with cross references. I probably have 6-8 around the house. Others have fallen apart and are not in use anymore. I don't have any trouble reading it at all.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/17/2009 6:05:10 AM
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I love the New King James Version or the New American Standard Bible. Both are relatively easy to read. However, no matter what version we opt for, we need to ask the Holy Spirit to open up our understanding of God's Word (i.e. to grant us divine revelation). He is our Helper and will therefore help us to understand what God's Word teaches and has to say to us today.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/17/2009 3:32:46 PM
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sarcalogos
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SirGareth, Shalom.
Welcome, and allow me, please, a bit of a flippant answer to your question: the very best Bible is the one in your hands that you are studying, with the Holy Spirits assistance....
That's the most importand thing. Unlike other books which are just printed thoughts, the Bible is a Living Word. Even the "worst" translation will be "active" and transform us according to God's will.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/17/2009 9:29:45 PM
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Mindy-and-Me
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The KJV literally stinks. Trust me when I tell you this I have a lot of grief behind that saying that it is the most accurate, it is FALSE!!!!
Has nothing to do with King James being on the throne at that time when it was accepted either. Mainly when folks say KJV they are referring to the orginal version of the 1611.
I have a book on dead sea scrolls that even before KJV was born there was a huge controvery over which text was right. Please folks, the word of God however is written is just that: HIS WORD!
Find a bible that suits you and if you discover you need more than what you've got, then find another one that can satiate you.
I have read the KJV and to me it was a curse (long story as to why) I also have the TNLB,NIV, Inductive NASB, Gideon, My son Read Me NIV Bible and a book that was gifted to me 1885 Heroes of the Bible and bible lands. As a bookmarker in this book is a bible tract from March 15,1891 and the bible tract also give a lesson and asks questions?
Not like todays bible tracts that ask where you want to be Heaven or hell!
They give you a lesson! Imagine that, how times change
Edited to add: All it is, is people fighting over one book and one belief and that is God.
How trivial when you think about it. Our core is Christ, yet He did say He brought a sword, so it depends on what you believe as far as bibles go. To me they all lead to Him
Those are terribly strong and judgmental words. I would not read any other version except the KJV, but I wouldn't say what you said about the other versions.
If you just compare the KJV with the NIV and see where the words Jesus Christ, the Blood, Virgin and others are changed and/or removed, that is scary. The BASIC belief of Christianity is that Jesus was born of a Virgin, NOT a young woman. That is just one example of hundreds.
I NEVER had a problem reading and understanding the KJV from the age of 12. I do not think that anyone is too ignorant to understand the KJV if they just want to.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/17/2009 9:52:05 PM
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If you just compare the KJV with the NIV and see where the words Jesus Christ, the Blood, Virgin and others are changed and/or removed,
Example please.
I like the NIV, as well as the NKJV. And, read the Holman Christian Standard Bible on biblegateway.com I also own the KJV, and the Living Bible(LB is not recommended for study, but good for devotional reading)
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 10:30:37 AM
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DaveW
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The NIV and NASB are two of my favorite translations - the NIV for accuracy and easy reading, the NASB for accuracy although the closeness to the Greek sntax makes it harder to read. I do not consider the NIV all that accurate. It is mostly ok but has always felt "watery" to me.
As to the NASB being hard to read, I have heard that for 35 years and never found it to be difficult. Anywhere. It is just as 'readable' as the NIV.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 10:57:51 AM
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DaveW
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The BASIC belief of Christianity is that Jesus was born of a Virgin, NOT a young woman. No english version has the final say-so. PERIOD.
The word in Isa 7.14 is not "virgin" or "young woman," the word is עלמה which is pronounced almah. It is used only 7 times in the OT and is translated damsel (once), maid (2x) or virgin (4x). There is another word בּתוּלה
betulah which also is translated "virgin" some 24 times. So how do they differ? If you do not know, then find out.
The only "version" that truly is perfect would be a collection of all the original autographs, of which none are known to exist.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 11:03:14 AM
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The King James is the best simply because you can reference every word in it with a Strong's concordance to see what the original Hebrew & Greek word truly meant. This helps us to see if the original word was translated correctly.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 11:10:38 AM
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DaveW
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The King James is the best simply because you can reference every word in it with a Strong's concordance to see what the original Hebrew & Greek word truly meant. This helps us to see if the original word was translated correctly. You can with the NASB also. If you buy the e-sword NASB pack, you get a strongs numbered version that will pop up the greek and hebrew just like the kjv. There are some differences as they are based on different manuscript families.
There is also an exhaustive concordance with the NIV that can be linked to the original as well. (the first translation done on a word processor)
Those tools are available for most translations.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 11:17:05 AM
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Eutychus
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Using Strong's helped me determine that the NASB is more accurate than the KJV. I especially like the 1995 NASB, since it eliminated the archaic use of Elizabethan English "Thee" and "Thou" when addressing God.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 11:58:18 AM
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However...the best bible is the one you'll actually read.
Amen! 
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 12:44:39 PM
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dwtramm
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I really like the ISV (International Standard Version). Too bad it is not completely done and not readily available. I got mine on Amazon, the New Testament, plus an Old Testament sampler, which is basically all they have done of the Old Testament currently.
I'm currently reading through the Bible using the Chronological Method this year (I try to use a different method each year). The books that the ISV does not have I'm using the ESV, which I enjoy as well.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 3:31:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: Mindy-and-Me
The BASIC belief of Christianity is that Jesus was born of a Virgin, NOT a young woman. No english version has the final say-so. PERIOD.
The word in Isa 7.14 is not "virgin" or "young woman," the word is עלמה which is pronounced almah. It is used only 7 times in the OT and is translated damsel (once), maid (2x) or virgin (4x). There is another word בּתוּלה
betulah which also is translated "virgin" some 24 times. So how do they differ? If you do not know, then find out.
The only "version" that truly is perfect would be a collection of all the original autographs, of which none are known to exist.
One can be sure that the word in Isa 7.14 is "virgin" because when Matthew quotes Isaiah 7.14 he writes: "virgin" - parthenos.
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RE: Bible versions - 2/18/2009 7:35:40 PM
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hoodleehoo
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However...the best bible is the one you'll actually read.
Amen!
This is the only correct answer to y our question. Go to the library, or a good Christian book store, sit down with as many different versions as you can, and read. Find the one that makes the most sense to you. That's the best bible for you. Don't sweat the details about who translated or how it was translated or what it was translated from. If it's easy for you to read, it's the right one.
Question, will this be your first bible?
I must disagree. It doesn't matter that you'll read it if it's incorrect. That's an extreme case, of course. Using loose translations for bible study can lead to some pretty warped theology.
That said, they are just words from humans...it's the Spirit working through the words that is most important. The most critical thing is to pray that God speak to you through what you read. But, for bible study and learning the character of God and theology the translation you use is extremely important!
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