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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/7/2009 11:49:41 AM
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hoppersfan
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Are you implying that their homes aren't safer?
That is exactly what I am saying; just last week, in my own county, there were two houses in the same subdivision that that were hit by crooks using the home invasion technique. Their method was to send someone into a location, pretend to be poor and broke, go around asking for money, and when someone would open their door, they would take a quick peek inside to see what the howmeowners' had in that immediate room. Then would come back later thru the back door and clean the place out. The second house they hit, the owners happened to be there; they were tied up (although oddly enough not at gun point; the paper stated that one had a baseball bat and the other a gold club!) while the crooks robbed the house. A neighbor in his backyard saw the crooks going out the back door with the stolen goods and called the police.
This very same thing was done to me in 1999; expect the guys were asking for money for their kids who they claimed had asthma. They came thru the back door and got everything in thel living room, which they could see thru the front door when I opened it.
Well, I'm not planning on homeschooling at this time, but safety would be a huge reason for me to change my mind. I don't worry so much about my kids' safety at school right now. I live in a very small community, and I work at the elementary school they attend. Our principal is a very good Christian man, and he is firm but kind with the children. He has high expectations for his faculty and staff. Many of the teachers at this school were my teachers when I went to this very same school! There isn't a lot of turnover at my school because the teachers are happy there. We don't have a middle school here; we have a pre-k through 8th grade elementary school, and I love that. High school is a different story. My son will be in 4th grade this year, so I still have a few years before I have to worry about high school, but it is a concern. Drugs and violence are just two of the worries I have about high school, and I know that both of these are legitimate concerns. They're legitimate concerns for all high schools, and many middle schools. I definitely don't blame anyone for homeschooling because they fear for their child's safety.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/7/2009 12:03:11 PM
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The deal is tho is that between private and public schools - in both cases the safety issues and the drugs and violence issues remain regardless of if its private or public.
There will still be peer pressure (that even happens in a home between siblings), there will always be the chance that something could click wrong in a kids brain and they'd do something stupid that could hurt themselves or those around them. Bullying still happens in both settings.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/7/2009 3:46:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: zoebob
Are you implying that their homes aren't safer?
That is exactly what I am saying; just last week, in my own county, there were two houses in the same subdivision that that were hit by crooks using the home invasion technique. Their method was to send someone into a location, pretend to be poor and broke, go around asking for money, and when someone would open their door, they would take a quick peek inside to see what the howmeowners' had in that immediate room. Then would come back later thru the back door and clean the place out. The second house they hit, the owners happened to be there; they were tied up (although oddly enough not at gun point; the paper stated that one had a baseball bat and the other a gold club!) while the crooks robbed the house. A neighbor in his backyard saw the crooks going out the back door with the stolen goods and called the police.
This very same thing was done to me in 1999; expect the guys were asking for money for their kids who they claimed had asthma. They came thru the back door and got everything in thel living room, which they could see thru the front door when I opened it.
If homes are so unsafe why don't we just make people live at school and not ever go home? You seem to be saying that in general it's safer to be at school than in your own home with your family. Of course no one is 100% safe all the time.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/7/2009 4:01:16 PM
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The deal is tho is that between private and public schools - in both cases the safety issues and the drugs and violence issues remain regardless of if its private or public.
I have seen them dealt with VERY differently in private (Christian) school than in public though.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/8/2009 9:29:01 AM
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ORIGINAL: zoebob
Are you implying that their homes aren't safer?
That is exactly what I am saying; just last week, in my own county, there were two houses in the same subdivision that that were hit by crooks using the home invasion technique. Their method was to send someone into a location, pretend to be poor and broke, go around asking for money, and when someone would open their door, they would take a quick peek inside to see what the howmeowners' had in that immediate room. Then would come back later thru the back door and clean the place out. The second house they hit, the owners happened to be there; they were tied up (although oddly enough not at gun point; the paper stated that one had a baseball bat and the other a gold club!) while the crooks robbed the house. A neighbor in his backyard saw the crooks going out the back door with the stolen goods and called the police.
This very same thing was done to me in 1999; expect the guys were asking for money for their kids who they claimed had asthma. They came thru the back door and got everything in thel living room, which they could see thru the front door when I opened it.
If homes are so unsafe why don't we just make people live at school and not ever go home? You seem to be saying that in general it's safer to be at school than in your own home with your family. Of course no one is 100% safe all the time.
My point is that simply no place is totally safe from any type of crime: home, church, or school.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/8/2009 1:17:46 PM
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Of course not. I don't think anyone really thinks that. However, if they are looking for the safest place for their children, home is probably it if they aren't abusive parents.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/9/2009 11:27:12 AM
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The deal is tho is that between private and public schools - in both cases the safety issues and the drugs and violence issues remain regardless of if its private or public.
I have seen them dealt with VERY differently in private (Christian) school than in public though.
I think that depends on the individual schools tho too. I know our schools, the ones my kids have attended anyway, are usually rather quick about taking care of problems. I also know of a couple private schools that deal with things well as well. But there is also a private school just down the road from us that has had some issues in the last year with a student that has claimed sexual harassment from a teacher or staff member and the STUDENT was asked to leave the school but the staff member is still there, as far as I know!
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/9/2009 12:14:42 PM
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I taught in both public and private schools and now homeschool. I actually had more discipline problems in the classroom with my private school students than I did my public school ones. I think that was because the real troublemakers in my public school were usually in off-campus detentions. LOL Both public and private schools had kids who were engaging in behaviors that weren't right, morally or legally. I will say that, obviously, the private school had an easier time of expelling students when they crossed a line; however, my private school also gave a LOT of leeway before doing that. I'm sure part of the reason was a hope of redeeming the student, but other reasons probably stemmed from the fact that they'd be losing that tuition money as well.
Anyway, I think the teachers themselves are going to be most satisfied in an environment where they have the backing of the administration. I hated teaching public school because I was flat-out told that I could give as many zeroes as I wanted, but that the grades would be changed down the road by the administration. The attitude from my private school administration was that they wouldn't have hired me if they didn't think I was competent to manage my classes; my job was to teach and manage my classes and their job was to ensure that I could do that effectively. I liked that a lot.
I think parents are most satisfied with teachers that they feel are competent and fair. Some parents, of course, won't be satisfied with any teacher unless they're giving their child the highest grades or the most leniency of any other children. Of course, it's usually the parents who are more involved in their children's education who will know if a teacher is competent and fair, so I tend to agree with others who've said parents who want to have a favorable experience with their child's schooling should be as involved as they can be.
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/10/2009 3:27:43 PM
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I have to disagree with this. We never had to deal with any of this at the christian school, never.
and, there are likely public high schools who haven't had to deal with it either.
Though, when "dealing" with it....I have known of MANY private and Christian schools that deal with these issues "privately" and "discreetly", so as to maintain their "reputation"....and to "keep up appearances"....
public schools typically have to be much more forthcoming and "transparent"....
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RE: Teacher Satisfaction: Public vs. Private Education - 6/11/2009 12:20:27 AM
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hoppersfan
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I have to disagree with this. We never had to deal with any of this at the christian school, never.
and, there are likely public high schools who haven't had to deal with it either.
Though, when "dealing" with it....I have known of MANY private and Christian schools that deal with these issues "privately" and "discreetly", so as to maintain their "reputation"....and to "keep up appearances"....
public schools typically have to be much more forthcoming and "transparent"....
This is very true. Public schools do have to be more transparent, and that is why you hear more about these types of problems within the public schools. Transparency is not a bad thing; I want to know what is happening in my kids' schools.
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