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RE: Red Ink Hurts Self Esteem? - 11/4/2009 1:01:27 PM
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SurpassingPeace
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It's not the same thing! This is school! They are there to learn. That is the primary purpose and with that comes failures and mistakes, hopefully teaching them by correction.
That may be your primary purpose but many kids desperately want to fit in and don't want to be excluded.
I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I don't see either side changing their mind and that is okay. You educate your child as you see fit and I will do the same. That is the groovy thing about this country.
Have a peaceful day.
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RE: Red Ink Hurts Self Esteem? - 11/4/2009 10:35:09 PM
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The days of "school is a place where children go primarily to learn" is long gone..and has been for several decades.
Many schools today are not about learning at all...they are about socialization, bullying, indoctrinating, and political agendas.
VERY LITTLE time is actually spent on helping kids learn....our country's national test scores on a secondary grade level could prob. be achieved by a 3rd grader in Japan.
Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the 70's at least 45% of my Freshman Lit class needed tutoring in remedial reading skills....and I would be willing to say things have gotten much worse since then....a couple of years ago I took an 18 yr. old foster child to obtain his driving permit and even though he was a Senior in HS he could not sign his name in cursive.
I don't think it would have mattered if his grade was in red or blue ink.
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RE: Red Ink Hurts Self Esteem? - 11/5/2009 1:43:43 AM
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Okay, for those of you who think this is a great idea, maybe because life is hard, what would you say to your child when they come home in tears because they are teased for being stupid? You know they are trying their best. You would just tell them, "Buck up kid, life's rough. Get over it." I am just curious.
I'm sorry I came off a little sarcastic in my pevious post about the F thingy. I don't recall ever being teased by another student for being stupid when I got an F on my paper. I did get F's and D's, too. My biggest hurt was not what the kids thought, but how my parents reacted to my grades. My own father was the one who said "You are stupid!"  After that my thoughts were, why try to do better. You can't because dad said you are stupid (the enemy had me believing I was doomed). But, thank God the good things that came from this experience, is, I learned to never say such a thing to our children when a failing grade appeared. Plus, I have forgiven my father for his ignorance in telling me such a hurtful thing. It took along time for me to get over that label. Sorry I went off topic a bit.
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RE: Red Ink Hurts Self Esteem? - 11/5/2009 2:08:06 AM
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VERY LITTLE time is actually spent on helping kids learn....our country's national test scores on a secondary grade level could prob. be achieved by a 3rd grader in Japan.
That's because Japan weeds out the less intelligent/dilligent kids early on (as do many of the countries that have "higher" test scores. Besides, I remember one time in high school taking one of those national test..I scored pretty high on most of it...but part of the day I was so bored I just started randomly filling in circles. Those areas I scored low in (well, DUH) I got the idea from another girl. If 2 of us did it, I would imagine many more did.
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RE: Red Ink Hurts Self Esteem? - 11/5/2009 9:41:39 AM
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buckifn
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but part of the day I was so bored I just started randomly filling in circles.
LOL I did that on an IQ test once and still scored 160.
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RE: Red Ink Hurts Self Esteem? - 11/21/2009 9:24:08 AM
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I see the ink as differently. Let's use the chubby thing. Should we force them on diets or withhold sweets, no but a teacher should not stand up at lunch and annouce to the room, "Hey look everyone. Sara is eating a cupcake and she is fat! " That is how I see the ink thing. Do you see what I am saying.
Show me a teacher who does that and I'll show you a teacher out of a job so fast that whiplash won't even begin to describe her experience.
I wish that were true. I was a good student, as far as grades are concerned, but I still got held up to public ridicule. One of the most embarrassing episodes I can think of came in a high school geometry class. The teacher offered, as an extra credit on a test, additional points for coming close to guessing the score on an upcoming local football game. I know *nothing* about football, and just wrote in random numbers. When the teacher collected my paper and read my guesses, he outright snickered and said to the class, "Hey guys? Check this out!" And read my numbers off. Several boys guffawed, and one asked, "Who *wrote* that?" Whereupon the teacher pointed to me, then said to me, "You obviously don't know anything about football."
Maybe a teacher nowadays who did something like that would be opening up the school for a lawsuit, but in my day, it was like "oh well."
Nor did my being a good student prevent peer rejection. Red ink or not, I was still called stupid and retarded. Any mistakes I did make were especially gloated over. "See, I guess you're not so smart after all." At best, my intellect was dismissed. "Well, you may be book smart, but you're real-world stupid."
So it's hard for me to sympathize with "self esteem problems" caused by too much red ink on the papers. I got almost none, and would have traded places with them any day.
Hmmm. Something just occurred to me. Maybe I really am "real-world stupid," as I was told. It never entered my mind to write down the wrong answers, so the kids would stop hating me for good grades. I probably should have done that.
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