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ta_mosquito -> OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 1:40:42 PM)

I've done various keyword searches in multiple versions, and can't find it. [&:]

It's a verse that talks about vain imaginations.

You know - thinking you know someone else's motives, and letting that color your attitude and actions, but in reality, you DON'T know their thoughts. (OK, this part is an extrapolation, and isn't the verse itself.)

It's New Testament, one of the epistles, I think one of the Pauline epistles.

I don't think that it is "taking our thoughts captive to make them obedient to Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5). It's not Romans 2:1-2. And it's not Romans 14:10.

Help!



kd4hvz -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 1:51:11 PM)

Acts 4:25 ?
Romans 1:21 ?

In the OT:
Prov 6:18 ?
Ps 2:1 ?



ta_mosquito -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 1:57:17 PM)

No, none of those. Thanks for the effort!



kd4hvz -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 2:09:19 PM)

Bummer. Be sure to post it when you figure it out. You have me curious now! [8D]



ta_mosquito -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 2:18:28 PM)

The ironic thing is that about a month ago, I PM'd someone (on a different forum) with the Scripture and a little "lecture" on it. I just deleted the PM YESTERDAY. [8|]



dianetavegia -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 2:24:08 PM)

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,



ChainSaw -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 2:27:52 PM)

NT.

In one of the letters to Timothy I think. I'm betting 1 Tim.

Middle to end of letter I think.

NIV calls it evil suspicions or something like that.



ChainSaw -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 2:32:34 PM)

1 Timothy 6:4 has a reference to 'evil suspicions' but I think there is another verse in the Timothy letters that you have in mind...



teacher1982 -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 3:15:18 PM)

I never understood "vain imaginations" to be
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thinking you know someone else's motives, and letting that color your attitude and actions, but in reality, you DON'T know their thoughts
I always thought is was talking to oneself about their own vain imaginations and desiring or imagining things of the world or that are unGodly. Also thinking that they know more than others know - are vain in their own opinions about themselves.



LCannon -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 4:17:22 PM)

Perhaps you're thinking 'vain repetition' rather then 'imagination'. Matthew 6:7 says(KJV), 'But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.' NABS(NRSV) translations it, 'When you are praying, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard because of their many words.'

PS: My personal paraphrase of 2Peter 3:14-16 says, 'Therefore beloved, since you look for these values, be diligent to be found by Him in hope, spotless and blameless 15 and regard the patience of our Lord Jesus as salvation[from destruction]. Paul, our beloved brother preaches this same Gospel imparted to him 16 while the ignorant and unstable distorts it in their vain imaginations to their own destruction.



ta_mosquito -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 4:37:49 PM)

Hmmm. None of these quite fit what I had had in mind. I wonder if it really is 2 Cor 10:5. [8|]

quote:

I always thought is was talking to oneself about their own vain imaginations and desiring or imagining things of the world or that are unGodly. Also thinking that they know more than others know - are vain in their own opinions about themselves.

This might make a good topic elsewhere, but IMO, "vain" means "meaningless," so it'd fit what you are thinking of as well as what I'm thinking of. Any self-delusion, any thoughts that are meaningless and of no value, that are sinful at worst, fluff at best.

Ya gotta love when you're trying to find a proof text, and it is as hard to grasp as grasping a cloud. [&:]



ChainSaw -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 6:50:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito
...Ya gotta love when you're trying to find a proof text, and it is as hard to grasp as grasping a cloud. [&:]

You mean grasping oil. Now what book of the Bible is that from? Guess the chapter and you can take the rest of the night off from mod duty. Guess the verse and I won't believe you didn't use a concordance to find it, lol!



ChainSaw -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 6:52:32 PM)

quote:

It's a verse that talks about vain imaginations.

You know - thinking you know someone else's motives, and letting that color your attitude and actions, but in reality, you DON'T know their thoughts. (OK, this part is an extrapolation, and isn't the verse itself.)

You ain't thinking of 1 Cor. 4 are you?



ta_mosquito -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 9:45:25 PM)

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You mean grasping oil. Now what book of the Bible is that from? Guess the chapter and you can take the rest of the night off from mod duty. Guess the verse and I won't believe you didn't use a concordance to find it, lol!

I was going to guess Ecclesiastes or Proverbs, in that order. Then I couldn't resist and looked it up. [8D]

quote:

You ain't thinking of 1 Cor. 4 are you?

No, but verse 5 is a pretty good one!



Liveloved -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/4/2009 10:51:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

I've done various keyword searches in multiple versions, and can't find it. [&:]

It's a verse that talks about vain imaginations.

You know - thinking you know someone else's motives, and letting that color your attitude and actions, but in reality, you DON'T know their thoughts. (OK, this part is an extrapolation, and isn't the verse itself.)

It's New Testament, one of the epistles, I think one of the Pauline epistles.

I don't think that it is "taking our thoughts captive to make them obedient to Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5). It's not Romans 2:1-2. And it's not Romans 14:10.

Help!


Tricia,
I think you were right on it here---II Cor 10:4-5. When Matthew Henry discusses for the destruction of fortresses, he amplifies fortresses as: ignorance, prejudices, beloved lusts, vain imaginations, carnal reasonings, high thoughts or proud conceits. I thought that so good that I copied it into my Bible many years ago. So that's the first place I went when I read 'vain imaginations'.

Were you reading his commentary???



ta_mosquito -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/5/2009 9:42:41 AM)

No, I wasn't reading his commentary. The King James actually uses "vain imaginations" in that verse.



ChainSaw -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/5/2009 10:18:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

quote:

You mean grasping oil. Now what book of the Bible is that from? Guess the chapter and you can take the rest of the night off from mod duty. Guess the verse and I won't believe you didn't use a concordance to find it, lol!

I was going to guess Ecclesiastes or Proverbs, in that order. Then I couldn't resist and looked it up. [8D]

If I was on a game show I would guess Ecclesiastes, chapter 7.

Then chapter 9.

If that still wasn't it, chapter 11.

Then, along with you, over to the book of Proverbs.



Liveloved -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/5/2009 10:31:47 AM)

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No, I wasn't reading his commentary. The King James actually uses "vain imaginations" in that verse.


Oh [&o]. I thought I had it for you. Oh well, I'll ponder some more. LL



Liveloved -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/5/2009 10:40:24 AM)

OK, now I'll just go by your description:
quote:

You know - thinking you know someone else's motives, and letting that color your attitude and actions, but in reality, you DON'T know their thoughts. (OK, this part is an extrapolation, and isn't the verse itself.)


Could it be in Romans 14?



makarizo -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/5/2009 10:01:54 PM)

when I saw that phrase, I thought of 2nd timothy chapt 3....... I looked it up and the words "vain imaginations" was not there.



Lapidoth -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/11/2009 2:04:15 PM)

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Lapidoth -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/13/2009 1:20:31 PM)

I'm assuming you haven't found it yet? LOL.

Has anything else come to mind?



ta_mosquito -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/13/2009 2:43:35 PM)

It's kinda fallen by the wayside.

I think I was thinking of that 2 Cor 10 verse.



Elena1030 -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/14/2009 1:57:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

The King James actually uses "vain imaginations" in that verse.


quote:

ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

I think I was thinking of that 2 Cor 10 verse.


Yep, 2 Cor. 10:5.

The KJV uses imaginations but doesn't use the word vain. But it's not an incorrect paraphrase, for one's own edification, to use vain, since some translations include the word lofty or proud. And these imaginations (imaginings would be my preferred word choice) are indeed vain and in vain -- proud and ineffective.

I think the phrase is probably common in teachings and preaching. We're so used to hearing it that we think it's verbatim from the Bible, when it's not. But at least the same basic meaning is there, so I don't think it would be wrong to use the phrase when mentally referring to that Scripture. Still might be good to memorize the actual wording, in whatever translation one prefers.



Theo-Minor -> RE: OK, Where is This Scripture? (11/17/2009 3:12:59 PM)

Just for the sake of saying so, I have had this happen to me more times than I care to count. I seach the concordance in multiple translations ... and I can't find what I'm looking for. There was a passage once, that said something to the effect of, "God gave you the law because of you are a rebellious and stiffnecked people."
So I searched all over for that passage when it came time that I needed it. I could have sworn I read it in Deuteronomy. But in the end, it turned out that my brain was doing that thing you see on the commercials now with the web surfing. Two verses converged in my head to make a single statement. Paul says in Galatians that the law was given because of sin, and Ezekiel implies that it was because the Israelites were rebellious and stiffnecked, they were given the law.

Needless to say, because the verse my brain had manufactured out of two separate passages, the one I was looking for was nowhere to be found. Too much bible overload.

Ironically, the thought was still correct, even if the specific single phrase didn't exist as a coherent thought.



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