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Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over Health... - 11/16/2009 9:59:47 PM
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Seems Nancy has decided that she is a one-person Supreme Court and has written...
"Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited."
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107
That's what it's all about, isn't it. Unlimited Power over OUR health care.
These power hungry people are downright DANGEROUS! That whole paper is just OUTRAGEOUS!!! If you read it carefully, it sounds like you can buy your way out of slavery!!!!
Nancy, the Mistress of the Big House on the "Plantation Democrat".
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:03:39 PM
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Seems Nancy has decided that she is a one-person Supreme Court and has written...
"Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited."
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107
That's what it's all about, isn't it. Unlimited Power over OUR health care.
These power hungry people are downright DANGEROUS!
All Pelosi said was health care reform was constitutional, which it clearly is, and why no one is suing to challenge it's constitutionality.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:08:54 PM
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Seems Nancy has decided that she is a one-person Supreme Court and has written...
"Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited."
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107
That's what it's all about, isn't it. Unlimited Power over OUR health care.
These power hungry people are downright DANGEROUS!
All Pelosi said was health care reform was constitutional, which it clearly is, and why no one is suing to challenge it's constitutionality.
How can one file suit BEFORE a bill is signed. It would be fruitless.
And, that is NOT all she said.
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A state is free to refuse the support and refuse to assist the federal government in administering the program, but Congress can authorize the federal government to administer the program on its own. Thus, Congress cannot force a state to administer a health insurance exchange, but it can authorize the federal government to administer such an exchange in any state that declines to do so.
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The bill uses the tax code to provide a strong incentive for Americans to have insurance coverage and not pass their emergency health costs onto other Americans—but it allows them a way to pay their way out of that obligation.
I'm glad you like slavery. I don't.
If this monstrousity ever sees the light of day, there will be plenty of Constitutional challenges. Count on it.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:13:03 PM
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Seems Nancy has decided that she is a one-person Supreme Court and has written...
"Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited."
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107
That's what it's all about, isn't it. Unlimited Power over OUR health care.
These power hungry people are downright DANGEROUS!
All Pelosi said was health care reform was constitutional, which it clearly is, and why no one is suing to challenge it's constitutionality.
No, she said a series of bad decisions by liberal supreme courts have enabled more and more Federal government power grabs over the years. It was only a matter of time for health care.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:23:17 PM
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Seems Nancy has decided that she is a one-person Supreme Court and has written...
"Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited."
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107
That's what it's all about, isn't it. Unlimited Power over OUR health care.
These power hungry people are downright DANGEROUS!
All Pelosi said was health care reform was constitutional, which it clearly is, and why no one is suing to challenge it's constitutionality.
How can one file suit BEFORE a bill is signed. It would be fruitless.
And, that is NOT all she said.
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A state is free to refuse the support and refuse to assist the federal government in administering the program, but Congress can authorize the federal government to administer the program on its own. Thus, Congress cannot force a state to administer a health insurance exchange, but it can authorize the federal government to administer such an exchange in any state that declines to do so.
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The bill uses the tax code to provide a strong incentive for Americans to have insurance coverage and not pass their emergency health costs onto other Americans—but it allows them a way to pay their way out of that obligation.
I'm glad you like slavery. I don't.
If this monstrousity ever sees the light of day, there will be plenty of Constitutional challenges. Count on it.
How do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously if you compare heath care reform to slavery?
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:25:35 PM
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Yes we were talking about some of those bad supreme courts decisions in my American Century class. I was so mad one day in class when we were talking about the case Wickard v. Filburn where a farmer is charged for just growing wheat on his property during the Great Depression to feed his family and chickens and yet the Supreme Court said he could be charged because it effect the demand of wheat in the larger interstate market. How dare someone try to take care of themselves during the depression, and how dare people now actually want to be free and not be forced to buy into govt. health insurance.
Pelosi tipped her hand and yet people still defend the govt. wanting to have absolute power over peoples lives from the cradle to the grave. The founding fathers would be rolling over in their grave to realize that the people are blindly, or in this case not so blindly putting themselves back under tyranny.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:44:39 PM
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How do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously if you compare heath care reform to slavery?
Hmmm... friend, you ain't SEEN slavery yet. But, I can see you are working hard at finding it.
I cannot think of a greater disconnect than the thinking of the founding fathers of this country and the writers of the Constitution, who wanted to LIMIT the Federal Government vs. Nancy Pelosi's claim of UNLIMITED POWER.
The early patriots did not put their lives on the line for Pelosi's government power grab. They would be HORRIFIED that we have let our children grow up so ignorant that they cannot see the difference between LIBERTY and Tyranny.
You may not take me seriously now. But, believe me, you WILL down the road if this bill passes. I'll wait.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:46:15 PM
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Yes we were talking about some of those bad supreme courts decisions in my American Century class. I was so mad one day in class when we were talking about the case Wickard v. Filburn where a farmer is charged for just growing wheat on his property during the Great Depression to feed his family and chickens and yet the Supreme Court said he could be charged because it effect the demand of wheat in the larger interstate market. How dare someone try to take care of themselves during the depression, and how dare people now actually want to be free and not be forced to buy into govt. health insurance.
Pelosi tipped her hand and yet people still defend the govt. wanting to have absolute power over peoples lives from the cradle to the grave. The founding fathers would be rolling over in their grave to realize that the people are blindly, or in this case not so blindly putting themselves back under tyranny.
The founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they knew we gave the vote to blacks and woman.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 10:48:15 PM
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That particular case is a clear demonstration of the lengths to which a power hungry government will go to wrest power from the people. The sad thing is that we let the Statists control education for the past century. And, now FAR too many people don't have a clue as to the difference between Liberty and Tyranny.
They are sitting happily in the pot as Pelosi & Company slowly brings the water to the boiling point.
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Yes we were talking about some of those bad supreme courts decisions in my American Century class. I was so mad one day in class when we were talking about the case Wickard v. Filburn where a farmer is charged for just growing wheat on his property during the Great Depression to feed his family and chickens and yet the Supreme Court said he could be charged because it effect the demand of wheat in the larger interstate market. How dare someone try to take care of themselves during the depression, and how dare people now actually want to be free and not be forced to buy into govt. health insurance.
Pelosi tipped her hand and yet people still defend the govt. wanting to have absolute power over peoples lives from the cradle to the grave. The founding fathers would be rolling over in their grave to realize that the people are blindly, or in this case not so blindly putting themselves back under tyranny.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 11:02:17 PM
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The founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they knew we gave the vote to blacks and woman.
Surprised? Probably. Outraged. No.
THe key would be the changes in the scope and levels of education that were not a part of women's upbringing and certainly not a part of black's upbringing of the day.
The founding fathers knew that time would alter some commonly held views and provided for the amendment process to facilitate those changes. Thus, by adhering to the Constitution's mechanism for change, it is impossible to say that they would be rolling over in their graves.
The nature of neither Liberty nor Tyranny has changed. And, THAT is the central focus of the construction of the Constitution. They would be FAR more horrified by your willingness to submit your life to future unknown administrations than the vote for blacks and women.
In your lifetime, it isn't outrageous to expect another Nixon or George W. Bush will hold power. Think about that for a while.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 11:17:06 PM
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That particular case is a clear demonstration of the lengths to which a power hungry government will go to wrest power from the people. The sad thing is that we let the Statists control education for the past century. And, now FAR too many people don't have a clue as to the difference between Liberty and Tyranny.
They are sitting happily in the pot as Pelosi & Company slowly brings the water to the boiling point.
Oh I know any time someone tells me that FDR is one of the best presidents we have ever had I just want to be sick. He did so much to destroy the checks and ballances in the govt. I still think its sad that the supreme court let themselves be intimidated by the court packing sceme that FDR was trying to shove through. I'm not sure we would be defening this trynnical grab for all to see by congress if the supreme court had not backed down and then swiched sides to then support the powergrab at the expense of Americans.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/16/2009 11:25:25 PM
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That particular case is a clear demonstration of the lengths to which a power hungry government will go to wrest power from the people. The sad thing is that we let the Statists control education for the past century. And, now FAR too many people don't have a clue as to the difference between Liberty and Tyranny.
They are sitting happily in the pot as Pelosi & Company slowly brings the water to the boiling point.
Oh I know any time someone tells me that FDR is one of the best presidents we have ever had I just want to be sick. He did so much to destroy the checks and ballances in the govt. I still think its sad that the supreme court let themselves be intimidated by the court packing sceme that FDR was trying to shove through. I'm not sure we would be defening this trynnical grab for all to see by congress if the supreme court had not backed down and then swiched sides to then support the powergrab at the expense of Americans.
Elites had been fond of communism from the first of the last century. I have a magazine that describes the Russian revolution in glowing terms that raves about the new found freedom of the Russian people.
So, communism had quite a while to incubate in the Ivy League universities leading up to the Roosevelt administration and many found a home among Roosevelt's advisors. The fall of the Soviet Union confirmed that McCarthy had been right all along.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 2:17:28 AM
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So, after all that,
How's that hope and change working for ya?
Just wait till the Pres signs that treaty in Amsterdam this December that when ratified will make it the law of the land over our Constitution all in the name of climate change.
We all need to read or listen to Lord Christopher Monckton's address to the Minnesota Free Market Institute audience at Bethel University in St. Paul. Riviting.
Psalms 91.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 2:38:42 AM
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That particular case is a clear demonstration of the lengths to which a power hungry government will go to wrest power from the people. The sad thing is that we let the Statists control education for the past century. And, now FAR too many people don't have a clue as to the difference between Liberty and Tyranny.
They are sitting happily in the pot as Pelosi & Company slowly brings the water to the boiling point.
Oh I know any time someone tells me that FDR is one of the best presidents we have ever had I just want to be sick. He did so much to destroy the checks and ballances in the govt. I still think its sad that the supreme court let themselves be intimidated by the court packing sceme that FDR was trying to shove through. I'm not sure we would be defening this trynnical grab for all to see by congress if the supreme court had not backed down and then swiched sides to then support the powergrab at the expense of Americans.
Elites had been fond of communism from the first of the last century. I have a magazine that describes the Russian revolution in glowing terms that raves about the new found freedom of the Russian people.
So, communism had quite a while to incubate in the Ivy League universities leading up to the Roosevelt administration and many found a home among Roosevelt's advisors. The fall of the Soviet Union confirmed that McCarthy had been right all along.
So now health care is slavery, FDR was a villain, and Joe McCarthy is an American Hero. Do you live in some kind of alternate Coulteresk universe?
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 3:04:15 AM
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Well if Bush tried the court packing scheme the Left would have been up in arms about that. I think we all agree, at least when the opposite party is in power, that the president has too much power, more then was ever imagined by the founding fathers. And I don't care what side of the isle you are on its hard to argue that FDR did not expand the powers of the Federal govt. by leaps and bound. But I guess you are happy with that at the moment since a liberal is in office.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 4:47:06 AM
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I think we all agree, at least when the opposite party is in power, that the president has too much power, more then was ever imagined by the founding fathers.
Very well said, and I would almost add that when it is the president from our party in power he doesn't have enough.
This is the reason why I can't get into the tea party movement. When it was the party of the tea partiers in office, they had absolutely no problem with anything the federal government did.
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The early patriots did not put their lives on the line for Pelosi's government power grab. They would be HORRIFIED that we have let our children grow up so ignorant that they cannot see the difference between LIBERTY and Tyranny.
No they didn't. They certainly didn't put their lives down for what we seen in the last administration either. Honestly, if they could see our government now they would see it as a reflection on the pathetic state of the American citizen since it is the citizen's who ultimately decide who is in power.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 7:23:59 AM
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So now health care is slavery, FDR was a villain, and Joe McCarthy is an American Hero. Do you live in some kind of alternate Coulteresk universe?
No, I simply refuse to be led by the nose by the radicals that I know all too well. The problem isn't my ignorance, it's your failure to think for yourself and do your own research. You take at face value the lies of the socialists without critical thinking.
I'll bet you have not spent 30 seconds exploring for yourself (1) exactly what McCarthy claimed, (2) WHO was actually responsible for the so-called black-listing in Hollywood and (3) how many of those ACTUALLY claimed by McCarthy, himself, were validated as Soviet agents when the Soviet Union allowed researchers into their archives.
It was the WAR, not the WPA that turned the economy around and gave people real jobs and returned prosperity to the nation. The country became HUGELY productive to meet the war effort.
Health Care is not slavery... unless you have no choice. And, that is exactly where we are headed no matter WHAT they claim about a government option. Ultimately, what they call "Reform" will be control life and choose when you are expendible.
And, YOU will find that if you don't cow-tow to the authorities, you will go Directy To Jail, without passing GO.
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I think we all agree, at least when the opposite party is in power, that the president has too much power, more then was ever imagined by the founding fathers.
Very well said, and I would almost add that when it is the president from our party in power he doesn't have enough.
This is the reason why I can't get into the tea party movement. When it was the party of the tea partiers in office, they had absolutely no problem with anything the federal government did.
Tea Party members come from all political parties and aren't as monolithic as you tend to think. They are very critical of George Bush as well as Obama.
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The early patriots did not put their lives on the line for Pelosi's government power grab. They would be HORRIFIED that we have let our children grow up so ignorant that they cannot see the difference between LIBERTY and Tyranny.
No they didn't. They certainly didn't put their lives down for what we seen in the last administration either. Honestly, if they could see our government now they would see it as a reflection on the pathetic state of the American citizen since it is the citizen's who ultimately decide who is in power.
You know what your political enemies will do to you. It is your so-called 'friends' that you have to watch. In some ways, George Bush as magnificent. But, economically and from the point of view of liberties he was just plain WRONG.
We need to return our focus on Liberty and Tyranny, not party affiliation as we move forward politically.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 7:42:52 AM
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parkerbrother...do you want the government to have this kind of power?
Its truly disturbing when the federal government can force something down the throats of the states.
I can only hope the midterm elections will slow this radical liberal train down.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 8:36:35 AM
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Seems Nancy has decided that she is a one-person Supreme Court and has written...
"Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited."
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107
That's what it's all about, isn't it. Unlimited Power over OUR health care.
These power hungry people are downright DANGEROUS!
All Pelosi said was health care reform was constitutional, which it clearly is, and why no one is suing to challenge it's constitutionality.
Sue what exactly? There isn't any law to challenge presently! Your idea health care reform is constitutional as an explanation there are no lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of health care reforms is erroneous. There are no lawsuits because no law has been passed to challenge!
Furthermore, it is not clearly constitutional and your proclamation to the contrary does not make it so.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 9:04:26 AM
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Yes we were talking about some of those bad supreme courts decisions in my American Century class. I was so mad one day in class when we were talking about the case Wickard v. Filburn where a farmer is charged for just growing wheat on his property during the Great Depression to feed his family and chickens and yet the Supreme Court said he could be charged because it effect the demand of wheat in the larger interstate market. How dare someone try to take care of themselves during the depression, and how dare people now actually want to be free and not be forced to buy into govt. health insurance.
Pelosi tipped her hand and yet people still defend the govt. wanting to have absolute power over peoples lives from the cradle to the grave. The founding fathers would be rolling over in their grave to realize that the people are blindly, or in this case not so blindly putting themselves back under tyranny.
The founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they knew we gave the vote to blacks and woman.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at all. This is a complete red herring. This says absolutely nothing to the point which you were seeking to address, and recall the point you were addressing was the Court has expanded the power of the federal government beyond those limits the Founding Fathers/Framers knew to exist in the U.S. Constitution. The fact the Founding Fathers/Framers would be rolling over in their graves if they knew women and blacks had the right to vote is a completely separate issue and unrelated to this topic.
The reason the two are separate and distinct is because one point deals with the idea the Framers/Founding Fathers understood the U.S. Constitution to impose certain constraints on the powers of the federal government, whereas your point has absolutely nothing to do with the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution, as it existed in 1787, did not regulate who or who could not vote. The U.S. Constitution left the determination of who could vote to the states and was not an issue of federal power under the U.S. Constitution. However, the powers of the federal government expanding beyond what the Framers/Founding Fathers understood the U.S. Constitution to allow is an issue concerning and touching upon the text of the U.S. Constitution itself. The two are not related.
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RE: Pelosi declares "Unlimited Power" over He... - 11/17/2009 9:31:54 AM
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Jesus tells us that it will be as in the days of Sodom & Gomorrah
and as in the days of Noah.
Peter says that they were, are, and will be "willingly ignorant."
Which in today's English is "stupid on purpose."
If Pelosi said it, the kool-aide drinkers believe it.
And will defend her to their dying day.
May God have Mercy upon this nation once again.
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