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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 2:01:01 PM
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BelleWeather
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
The monks in the middle ages attempted to do so.
How did they do that? Just curious...
Wikipedia to the rescue!
Behold! The Illuminated Manuscript!
And a modern illuminated Bible project by St. John's Abbey and University, Collegeville, Minnesota.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 2:51:37 PM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
The monks in the middle ages attempted to do so.
How did they do that? Just curious...
Wikipedia to the rescue!
Behold! The Illuminated Manuscript!
And a modern illuminated Bible project by St. John's Abbey and University, Collegeville, Minnesota.
That's not really a cartoon, though.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 5:59:52 PM
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I'm not sure all of it can be cartooned. What about the long passages of begets and census numbers? In general yes, but verse by verse? You're going to run into some problems with that.
The monks in the middle ages attempted to do so.
How did they do that? Just curious...
Wikipedia to the rescue!
Behold! The Illuminated Manuscript!
And a modern illuminated Bible project by St. John's Abbey and University, Collegeville, Minnesota.
That's not really a cartoon, though.
It's cartoons, middle-ages style.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 7:31:18 PM
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It's an illustration. Cartoons use speech bubbles to communicate (and sometimes text underneath). The action is expressed through the pictures, and if the picture shows the action, there's no need for text at all. Illustrations simply accompany the text instead of trying to replace it.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 7:52:41 PM
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God uses everything to achieve his ends, even countries like America. The gossip about Crumb that was the lead to this question epitomizes so many of the questions presented by the "Calvinists" and "Baptists" in this forum.
The question was presented more about a man's character and thus his ability to do a decent rendering in cartoon (or otherwise) of a faith he seemed not to share then it was whether we should "cartoon" the Bible.
It was merely disguised defamation to report about this person and then ask a question which has nothing to do with the "gossip" shared. This is so shallow.
One of the last posters let this shared prejudice of Mohler influence his view on the book--without having even reading it: it can't be any good if someone like THAT wrote it.
These cached questions make me ill...and so very disappointed. I expected principled, honest, and caring people here.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/22/2009 8:37:03 PM
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For one thing, Crumb's work reminds us that God gave us words, not images, as His means of revelation. The prohibition against images is not just a divine preference, it is a command. Crumb interprets (or misinterprets) with every image and characterization. His style dominates the narrative -- which is precisely the danger.
Say what? Where was it commanded that scripture only be written down, not drawn? Does writing style and editing not also have the potential to cause misinterpretations? Given the number of Christian denominations & sects, I'd say it's pretty clear that it does.
Am I misunderstanding him?
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/23/2009 1:44:51 AM
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I see no problem with cartooning the Bible by someone whose attitude is one of respect for the Bible and of telling what the Bible says in order to bring them to a respectful understanding of the Bible. However, if we stuck to that, this would eliminate an awful lot of the Bibles we use modernly, because not all those who translated the Bible either loved or respected the L-rd.
For example, reading about the lives of those who translated the KJV and the NIV, for example, would be real eye-opening. However, we can respect these translation in spite of the translators.
This particular Bible? Well, really, knowing his attitude and after seeing the first few pages, I wouldn't bother to buy it. Why? Such illustrated Bibles are great for those with reading problems and those learning to read. I would not give it to either.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/23/2009 3:27:54 AM
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Fritz, I've lost track of how many times the Bible already has been cartooned, in either book or animated form. But these are the ones that come to mind:
- "Superbook", the original anime series produced by Pat Robertson's CBN and Japan's Tatsunoko Productions ("Speed Racer", "G-Force/Battle of the Planets")
- "The Greatest Adventure: Stories from the Bible", the animated home video series from the Hanna-Barbera studio (now owned by Warner Bros.)
- "Animated Stories from the Old/New Testament", another home video series, this one from Nest Entertainment
- "The Beginner's Bible", a cartoon Bible for young children and companion home video collection
- "The Picture Bible", Bible stories in comic book form
- The new computer-animated remake of "Superbook" now available
A few years ago I saw at a Christian bookstore a manga adaptation of the Gospels, with Jesus, the disciples and other New Testament figures drawn in the wildly popular Japanese manga/anime style. It was drawn by Christian artists and geared toward teenagers.
Cartooning the Bible is not a bad idea; it's been done for decades now. As with other replies to this thread, it all comes down to respect for the Bible itself, which is clearly what R. Crumb doesn't have.
Crumb is getting all this attention because he's a dirty cartoonist and has a clear-cut agenda in illustrating the Bible. True to his name, it's a crummy piece of work that even liberals are scratching their heads over.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/26/2009 9:07:13 AM
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Thank you for the example. it spells out exactly what I mentioned about cartooning and cliche! He illustrated God as an old man with a mega beard wearing a drapping robe. Sheesh.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/26/2009 9:11:39 AM
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btw, I illustrate sermons and therefor scriptures. Illustrating/cartooning in and of itself is a good idea in some cases.
As a bunny trail, how about those who make movies about bible stories that don't really match the scriptures?
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/26/2009 5:37:36 PM
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It's been lego'd:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/
So why not cartooned?
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/28/2009 1:27:27 AM
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It's been lego'd:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/
So why not cartooned?
I've been to The Brick Testament website, and a lot of the Lego photos are really clever. Unfortunately, the "Reverend" who created all those Lego stories isn't really a pastor, nor does he really seem to be Christian.
I was shocked to read, he has tagged some of his own Lego stories as being sexually explicit or violent. Such naughty Lego photos were supposedly done to depict the more graphic portions of the Bible. With child-friendly LEGOS? Gimme a break! I believe the creator of The Brick Testament has an agenda, and it's not really to edify the body of Christ.
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RE: Should the Bible be Cartooned? - 11/28/2009 11:15:40 AM
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Thank you for the example. it spells out exactly what I mentioned about cartooning and cliche! He illustrated God as an old man with a mega beard wearing a drapping robe. Sheesh.
R. Crumb is a self-taught cartoonist whose renderings became popular during the heyday of Haight-Ashbury and the Hippie movement.
Some of his cartoons like the 'Doo Daa Man' of 'Keep on Truckin' fame have become entrenched in our visual and musical culture:
http://unrepentantoldhippie.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/r_crumb.jpg
http://goseattlecard.com/blog/files/2008/03/seattle-robert-crumb.jpg
http://www.massart.edu/Images/www.massart.edu/galleries/Crumb_Web.jpg
That said, his cartooning is just that, cartooning, with his own inimitable style that was established long before this 'Bible Comic' came along.
That readers of R. Crumb, collectors of his art, or others may be inspired to actually read the Book of Genesis when they otherwise never might, is probably something to be encouraged.
Some probably come to Christ through Chick Tracts also, as silly, demeaning, and obtuse as they can be.
But they preach Christ, and R. Crumb's canvas in this case is God's Word, so let's pray it has the consequences God has for it.
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