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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/25/2008 1:05:03 PM
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I have read your earliest posts, so this is why I have said I understand where you are coming from - 'as well'.
I appreciate you looking at the past posts. Thank you. I doubt my earliest posts are still available and I do admit that my later posts do not include as much scripture as my first posts have.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2008 1:53:24 PM
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The Spirit of God will lead the obedient believer to fulfill the righteous requirements of the LAW.
Pprogress:
If you live by the letter of the law or laws , then you frustrate the grace of God.
If we are to walk in the Spirit of God ,, we are walking in his love and as he loved us so should we love other.. Repentance has to be made for sin and forgiveness to be given to all who walk in love.
Micah 6:8 He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
We will never fullfill the law but we can try to grow in grace and to be more like Jesus who broke many of the Jewish laws in order to do justly, love mercy and teach us humility by becoming a servant.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/26/2008 2:15:30 PM
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So now, what of the ICor.7:36-38 passage? Paul wrote it. Is it authoritative or not? What does he speak of therein?
36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
37 Nevertheless he that standeth steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.
This is Paul speaking to the early church in Corinth. He is telling them if they must marry they can, ( for it is better to marry than to burn.) Yet he state that in order to fully attend to the work of sharing the gospel of Christ and to work for the salvation of many it is better not to marry.
So for that time I believe Paul was told these words to speak to the believers in a time when the good news of the grace of God needed to be spread across the world,, This still holds true .
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2008 3:11:14 AM
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Interested to hear what a English QC Barrister (Attorney) had to say about Divorce in 1857?
Considerations on Divorce Re-Marriage an excellent reference booklet for your personal library
FREE DOWNLOAD at WiseReaction.org
This brillant short book is allegedly written by
Barrister and Ecclesiastical Lawyer
Edward Badeley QC (UK) in 1857
Do you know about the Erasmus Trap?
WiseReaction.org
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2008 10:03:16 AM
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Interested to hear what a English QC Barrister (Attorney) had to say about Divorce in 1857?
Considerations on Divorce Re-Marriage an excellent reference booklet for your personal library
FREE DOWNLOAD at WiseReaction.org
This brillant short book is allegedly written by
Barrister and Ecclesiastical Lawyer
Edward Badeley QC (UK) in 1857
Do you know about the Erasmus Trap?
WiseReaction.org
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There are significant problems with this view, as the articles on your website have demonstrated.
On your site:
One article claims that 'ervat devar' only refers to incest between a wife and a father-in-law, something that is entirely without evidence. In this article the author also says that Duet. 24:1-4 can only be speaking of those who have already married. Another article on your site claims that 'ervat devar' refers only to sexual infidelity before a marriage. Again something entirely without evidence in Scripture.
Both of these articles rely completely on conjecture that is unsupported by any evidence we have, and they hold completely contradictory opinions as the basis for their conclusions. Clearly much of this conjecture must be wrong!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2008 5:51:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: wisereaction
Interested to hear what a English QC Barrister (Attorney) had to say about Divorce in 1857?
Considerations on Divorce Re-Marriage an excellent reference booklet for your personal library
FREE DOWNLOAD at WiseReaction.org
This brillant short book is allegedly written by
Barrister and Ecclesiastical Lawyer
Edward Badeley QC (UK) in 1857
Do you know about the Erasmus Trap?
WiseReaction.org
Greetings Wisereaction,
Thank you so much for your fine offering of the above download by Edward Badeley … I have not yet finished the read but have gathered the main argument of Badeley. I will be leaving for church shortly but wanted to post this asap. Mr. Badeley does a fine job of indentifying the “Obscure” nature of Matthew’s exceptions. He then offers a most honest and “common sense” solution to the “otherwise” serious contradiction in the NT. I love the spirit of the Barrister. Yes, this document is a most precious contribution to our discussion of MDR. Mr. Badeley truly believes in “Inspiration” of the book of Matthew and truly believes Matthew is the only inspired writer of Matthew’s Gospel.
I note that the followers of the Apostate Liberal German schools of Biblical Textual Criticism take offense to Badeley’s view of inspiration … for they do not believe Matthew is the full source of the Book of Matthew. They have a theory that Matthew was influenced by what they call “The Source” (or in German: Quelle) which they refer to as “Q”. This German apostasy has infiltrated the Western Academia as well.
I just finished ... great dissertation.
All for His Glory ... Huckfinn
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/27/2008 6:47:25 PM
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If you live by the letter of the law or laws, then you frustrate the grace of God.
I'm afraid you have some things confused here BFT. One, is that you are suffering under the misconception that I am advocating (teaching) and trying personally myself to fulfill in fleshly power, what only the Spirit of God can live and fulifll in and through me...through any of his children. All which is through the grace of God and by faith - which incidently, "worketh by love". Paul the apostle of 'grace' (some like to call him), said this: "Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned" all these words actually mean something BFT. They point to the reality that the new covenant indeed do INCLUDE commandments...commandments from God, ALL of which have been WRITTEN DOWN in LETTERS, ACTUAL letters of the alphabet, into sentences and these ARE "the letter" of the Law - God's Law, his new testament Law or commandments.
And secondly, it appears you haven't as yet to have come to a clear understanding what Paul meant by "the letter". Here are the verses that use that particular expression:
Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the lettter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Paul in using this expression, is not saying that the LAW is NOT spiritual BFT. That is to say, he is NOT saying that the commandments of God - Christ's commandments that is, which He gave to be literally 'kept' by those who desire to follow him and be rewarded at the Judgment...He DID NOT SAY, that these commandments of his are DEAD LETTERS. No, infact they are living letters, they are "God breathed", so what else could God's Words be BUT LIVING words and living letters???!!!
The problem then, BFT, is NOT that the Law or Commands of God and Christ are Dead or bring about only death. They are living, the Eternal Word(s) of God.
The problem lies rather in the fact that we (man/woman) are NOT ABLE to 'keep' them, we have no power IN & OF OURSELVES to fulfill the righteous reguirements that the LAW of God demands of all his creatures (amnkind). So the Law, which is Spiritual and Eternal and Living, witnesses against our utter insufficiency within ourselves to 'keep' the Law of God, that is to say (in another way): We neither can "will" nor "do his good pleasure" - ONLY the grace of God that He exercises through us, by faith and love can provide the power for us "both to will and to do of his good pleasure" - NOTHING ELSE...PERIOD.
And you don't know me, but I'll just say it this way anyway: Believe me, I am keenly, profusely keen and well aware of this fact. I don't try to keep the commandments of Christ in my own power or strength or by my own desire and "will" "to do his pleasure". I do not frustrate the grace of God either.
Righteousness...the righteousness that I have obtained, I did so by faith, the obedience of faith, to the holy commandment. And whatever righteousness I have and will obtain in my pilgrimage here, it will ONLY come as a result of my abiding in the Vine, in Christ. Christ ALONE, in me, is both the Hope of Glory and the means of any desire or power I have to do any thing that is pleasing to God.
The issue then about the LAW and about COMMANDMENTS and the keeping of them - which is clearly a duty that is enjoined upon every person that nameth the name of Christ, is not one of trying to keep them in their own strength, but of learning to die to self and yeild him or herself as a vessel, and willing and obedient vessel of God's and allow him to live in you and do the work in you; even as Christ yeilded his body to the Father for him to live through the Son.
We are not free to do as we please BFT, and to break any, not even one of the commandments of God, to do so is clearly forbidden by Christ (God), and is sin in his sight. Sin is the transgression of the Law. You do understand that children of God are capable and do transgress the Law of God and Christ? If not, then what is Paul and John and Peter speaking about when they warn and encourage us NOT to sin?
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Jhn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Jhn 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Act 5:20 Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.
See some following post for the conclusion:
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/28/2008 1:41:52 PM
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Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the lettter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Dear P.progress
Yes this is what I mean by the letter of the law. What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultry? He said woman where are your accusers?
There were none cause Jesus made them realize that they too were sinners. Jesus said neither do I accuse you. Go and sin no more.
Now God knows that she will sin again in some way but He said go and sin no more that she might see herself that unless she believeth on the Messiah she will not be right with God. He was telling her that He was that awaited messiah that will bring peace and restoration of the kingdom of God.
If you go by the letter of the commandments and you do not commit adultery, this is good,but it is not good to stay in a loveless marriage because that would break the the law of the spirit of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Do you get what I mean, We love because he first loved us not because we obey the letter of the law. I also think we should love others not because of what they do but because He first loved us. That love and mercy is in us thru the holy spirit.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/28/2008 3:19:03 PM
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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Yes this is what I mean by the letter of the law. What did Jesus say to the woman caught in adultry?
Wait. You mean what did he ask her AFTER her accusers had departed; because it is certain he neither said to her or asked her anything beforehand. He didn't ask her to defend herself against the accusations leveled at her by these men; nor asked her if she wanted to confess her sin of adultery, did he?
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He said woman where are your accusers?
Yes, BFT...but he only did so (spoke and asked her) after these men had left her without having a verdict rendered by Christ, as they had first approached him to give...'according to the law'. Correct? Notice this important point here.
But BFT, answer me this: Can you think of any other reason(s) WHY he asked her that question - that specific question to her? And why he said to those who baited him what he says, when the Law requried death by stoning for adultery? I'll await your answer. And yes, I have one that fits well with BOTH the Law by Moses and the GRACE 7 TRUTH that came by Christ. Neither one negating the other.
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There were none, cause Jesus made them realize that they too were sinners.
Yes, they from the eldest to the youngest in that order left without saying another word of accusation. Rememeber that...they did not continue to accuse her of this heinous crime.
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Jesus said neither do I accuse you.
No BFT, he did not say, "Neither do I accuse you...", but as the text itself actually states: "Neither do I condemn thee..." - meaning: to give judgment against, to judge worthy of punishment; to condemn; to render another's wickedness the more evident and censurable.
There is a difference between the two. Go study this out yourself. And the difference is very important here, as it helps you to understand exactly what Christ was accomplishing here in this situation.
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Go and sin no more.
And since she answered his questions about where her accusers were, that there were none - they had withdrawn their accusations about her and did not pursue her being JUDGED for her sin, Christ justly righteously with grace and truth, said to her giviing her his verdict in the case before him, then, "Neither do I condemn thee."
BFT, he couldn't condemn her...NOT WITHOUT EVIDENCE, NOT WITHOUT WITNESSES - He needed BOTH, to ESTABLISH the TRUTH of the matter of her guilt or innocence. He used the Law the righteous reguirement established in the Law as a 'loop hole' - if you will - to do something differnt in her case.
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Now God knows that she will sin again in some way but He said go and sin no more that she might see herself that unless she believeth on the Messiah she will not be right with God. He was telling her that He was that awaited messiah that will bring peace and restoration of the kingdom of God.
No. He said, "Go and sin no more", because he is God and as the Holy One of God, hates sin and is angry with the wicked every day, no less than the Father. But he is not only a God of wrath and war; but a merciful and gracious God to those that seek for him to be. He is so much so, that he sought out man, before they sought out him. But we all need to repent and that requires us taking sin as serious as we are commanded to. The Good News is that we can find forgiveness for sin in Christ if we will be but willing and obedient to the command to repent and receive cleansing.
And BFT, there is difference in the way God deals with the sin of the unbeliever and that of the believer. Another subject.
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If you go by the letter of the commandments and you do not commit adultery, this is good
Here you are getting fuzy again in your handling of the scriptures. The letter of God's Law is Spiritual and Living. We are sold under sin, we can't keep the 'letter' of the Law, for in one way of violating them, it is written, we break them all. It is good, yes, not to break any of the commandments. But in the flesh we have not the power to do so as we need and must keep them.
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but it is not good to stay in a loveless marriage because that would break the the law of the spirit of God.
Here you have left behind the truth and actual meaning of the scriptures. No where does it say anything like you are claiming above! The only marriage that is loveless, as you say, is that marriage where both the husband and the wife refuse to obey God to love their husband or wife. If you left you husband because you did not 'feel' or see and evidence in your eyes that he 'loved' you, then that makes him disobedient to the Word, true or not true? TRUE.
And what does God say to the wife whose husband is disobedient to the Word ("if any obey not the Word" 1Pet.3:1-6)? Depart and leave him? Put him away and divorce him? Marry another after departing and divorcing him? NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
It is written that you "be in subjection to" him, reverence, fear, honor him, be silently witnessing of the grace of God in your own life to him as you dwell with him. Read it all for yourself BFT.
You should be very familiar and keen about these things already if you are truly a saint, a believer in Christ and a child of God. Don't you have any knowledge of the Word of God here?
You are seriously trying to claim that God wants a wife to leave her husband if he does not love her? Provide books, chapters and verses for that one BFT. Right now. And stop the silly spritualizing of the scriptures...and find out what "rightly dividing" the Word of truth actually means. Look up all these words in some Greek dictioanaries at least. Do your homework, please, for your sake at least.
The rest of your post I am not going to comment on.
I am not condemning you I am doing exactly what the scriptures teach a believer to do on the behalf of other believers, when they are in need of instruction, correction, admonition, reproving or rebuking - or if need be, rejecting as a reprobate...albeit a vehemently professing to know God reprobate.
Please do think of what I have written, challenge it, fine; just do so out of the scriptures, IN their proper context and FROM their PROPER contextual setting.
Bless you in your examinations,
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/29/2008 11:34:56 PM
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Dear P progress:
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Please do think of what I have written, challenge it, fine; just do so out of the scriptures, IN their proper context and FROM their PROPER contextual setting.
I can't challenge anything you said although I can give many scriptures about how husbands and wives are supposed to love each other.
There are some things you said to me that really ****ed my heart as follows:
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but it is not good to stay in a loveless marriage because that would break the the law of the spirit of God.
Here you have left behind the truth and actual meaning of the scriptures. No where does it say anything like you are claiming above! The only marriage that is loveless, as you say, is that marriage where both the husband and the wife refuse to obey God to love their husband or wife. If you left you husband because you did not 'feel' or see and evidence in your eyes that he 'loved' you, then that makes him disobedient to the Word, true or not true? TRUE.
And what does God say to the wife whose husband is disobedient to the Word ("if any obey not the Word" 1Pet.3:1-6)? Depart and leave him? Put him away and divorce him? Marry another after departing and divorcing him? NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
It is written that you "be in subjection to" him, reverence, fear, honor him, be silently witnessing of the grace of God in your own life to him as you dwell with him. Read it all for yourself BFT.
You should be very familiar and keen about these things already if you are truly a saint, a believer in Christ and a child of God. Don't you have any knowledge of the Word of God here?
You are seriously trying to claim that God wants a wife to leave her husband if he does not love her? Provide books, chapters and verses for that one BFT. Right now. And stop the silly spritualizing of the scriptures...and find out what "rightly dividing" the Word of truth actually means. Look up all these words in some Greek dictioanaries at least. Do your homework, please, for your sake at least.
PP I was married for 18 years and with the grace of God I loved my husband even though he hurt me emotionally , spiritually and even physically at times. I got sick physically , emotionally and spiritually and I was not strong enough but God gave me more grace and answered all my prayers to allow my marriage to survive and did great healings in my health and in my marriage even tho my husband is an unbeliever.
I know even if one is willing the marriage can survive but something happened to me when I met a fellow believer online who met all my emotional needs and I started to rebel and become a different person. I wanted so bad that kind of love that I let go of my marriage .
I was weak and I was wrong. I asked my ex to fogive me but He refuses and threatened my life , tried to steal all the finances, does not talk to me and even did not talk to our 2 sons for years. He will do anything in his power to hurt me so I am praying God to change his heart. This is in God's hands.
God Bless you PP and ty
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2008 12:24:01 PM
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Dear P progress:
You said:
Please do think of what I have written, challenge it, fine; just do so out of the scriptures, IN their proper context and FROM their PROPER contextual setting.
I can't challenge anything you said although I can give many scriptures about how husbands and wives are supposed to love each other.
There are some things you said to me that really ****ed my heart as follows:
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but it is not good to stay in a loveless marriage because that would break the the law of the spirit of God.
Here you have left behind the truth and actual meaning of the scriptures. No where does it say anything like you are claiming above! The only marriage that is loveless, as you say, is that marriage where both the husband and the wife refuse to obey God to love their husband or wife. If you left you husband because you did not 'feel' or see and evidence in your eyes that he 'loved' you, then that makes him disobedient to the Word, true or not true? TRUE.
And what does God say to the wife whose husband is disobedient to the Word ("if any obey not the Word" 1Pet.3:1-6)? Depart and leave him? Put him away and divorce him? Marry another after departing and divorcing him? NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
It is written that you "be in subjection to" him, reverence, fear, honor him, be silently witnessing of the grace of God in your own life to him as you dwell with him. Read it all for yourself BFT.
You should be very familiar and keen about these things already if you are truly a saint, a believer in Christ and a child of God. Don't you have any knowledge of the Word of God here?
You are seriously trying to claim that God wants a wife to leave her husband if he does not love her? Provide books, chapters and verses for that one BFT. Right now. And stop the silly spritualizing of the scriptures...and find out what "rightly dividing" the Word of truth actually means. Look up all these words in some Greek dictioanaries at least. Do your homework, please, for your sake at least.
PP I was married for 18 years and with the grace of God I loved my husband even though he hurt me emotionally , spiritually and even physically at times. I got sick physically , emotionally and spiritually and I was not strong enough but God gave me more grace and answered all my prayers to allow my marriage to survive and did great healings in my health and in my marriage even tho my husband is an unbeliever.
I know even if one is willing the marriage can survive but something happened to me when I met a fellow believer online who met all my emotional needs and I started to rebel and become a different person. I wanted so bad that kind of love that I let go of my marriage .
I was weak and I was wrong. I asked my ex to fogive me but He refuses and threatened my life , tried to steal all the finances, does not talk to me and even did not talk to our 2 sons for years. He will do anything in his power to hurt me so I am praying God to change his heart. This is in God's hands.
God Bless you PP and ty
Dearest sister ButterFlyTearz (BFT),
How my heart aches for not only you, but for all who have been so, so, so wrongly treated. I was one of those that wrongly treated and have also been very cruely treated by my wife for which I cannot go into here of course. I DO understand very much the emotions involved in all this. But I know also the grace of God not only gives us the strength to do his will, but to want to do it as well. The grace of God as Paul stated to Titus, teaches us things - please let me refer you to that teaching - read and study and meditate and yield to what the Holy Spirit of Christ taught through Paul about WHAT grace really does teach. It is ALL staightforward and practical...dealing with how we are to respond in the relationships we have been made to be apart of. Titus 1:1 to the end says much on many, many fronts. Titus two is for us all...especially read what the Lord's will is to the woman.
I am not and have not sought to lay down the 'law' in any graceless fashion. I am not by any means a so-called 'legalist', though I do undersatnd how others might think that, as just being honest here - I find most believers today very, very ignorant of the Word of God in so amny areas. We have more Bibles and translations and study helps, yet we are far from as knowledgeable of the WORD OF GOD as preteens were in the sixteen hundreds who were trained in them by their simple parents. Read Foxs Book of Martyers, or if you can, Martyers Mirrors, which is even much greater in its testimoinies of the saints in the days of the Roman Catholic persecutions ( and the Reformers persecutions against the AntiBaptists).
Have to go right now, but I am praying for you...please do the same for me sister. I am in a fight of faith as well. May we each receive the reward of the inheritance, that comes to those that seek it diligently and seek it aright.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2008 8:41:59 PM
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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I was thinking about this verse the other day as well. If these qualities are the fruit of the spirit, then a union that displays these qualities regularly must have the spirit in it... the bible does not say that these are the fruit of man, afterall, or the fruit of sin or wishful thinking.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/30/2008 10:19:18 PM
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p.progress
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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I was thinking about this verse the other day as well. If these qualities are the fruit of the spirit, then a union that displays these qualities regularly must have the spirit in it... the bible does not say that these are the fruit of man, afterall, or the fruit of sin or wishful thinking.
Let us allow the scriptures define these aspects of the fruit of the Spirit...and there are many more
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But the fruit of the Spirit is love...: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Tts 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Jam 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Jud 1:16-21 ¶ These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
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is ...joy: against such there is no law.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Phl 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.
1Th 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:
Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Jam 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jam 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and [your] joy to heaviness.
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
3Jo 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
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is ...peace: against such there is no law.
Mar 9:50 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Phl 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
Hbr 12:14 Follow peace with all [men], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Jam 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
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is longsuffering: against such there is no law.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
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is gentleness: against such there is no law.
Psa 18:35 Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great.
2Cr 10:1 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence [am] base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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is goodness: against such there is no law.
Exd 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Psa 31:19 [Oh] how great [is] thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; [which] thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!
Pro 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:
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is faith: against such there is no law.
Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end [shall be]: for they [are] a very froward generation, children in whom [is] no faith.
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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is meekness: against such there is no law.
Psa 45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
Jam 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jam 3:13 Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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is...temperance: against such there is no law.
Act 24:25 And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
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But the fruit of the Spirit is...against such there is no law.
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Jam 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jam 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
The Lord commands we all exercise these aspects of the fruit of the Spirit. In the "one-flesh" union of a husband and wife, both are commanded to love one another. The failure of one to do so in reference to the other does not relieve the other from continuing in this endeavor.
God commands all these, it sin not to obey him in this. If we refuse to love our spouse, to forbear their errors in love, and give up completely on them, and then look to "marry another" when one's husband is still alive is NOT to walk in the Spirit...it is NOT acceptable and forgiven until it is repented of. To repent of one's sin of marrying another, is to return to the love of God, and return to one's "one-flesh" spouse...if and and when this is at all possible. And what some claim say is not possible or permitted I will not get into here.
P.P.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2008 12:34:58 AM
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Dear PP,
Thank you for all your help that I know you have learned in your pilgrimige thru life. When we greive the Holy spirit,, it is grievious indeed, and praise God he still loves us and forgives us.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
PP, I pray for you as you pray for me dear brother.
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Hebrews 4:11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 8/31/2008 7:30:25 AM
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p.progress
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Dear PP,
Thank you for all your help that I know you have learned in your pilgrimige thru life. When we greive the Holy spirit,, it is grievious indeed, and praise God he still loves us and forgives us.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
PP, I pray for you as you pray for me dear brother.
Dear BFT,
I haven't figured out to send personal email to you...so if you know how, please, feel free to, to me.
About God the Father's love and his forgiveness, I would find it a priviledge to relate to you my personal pilgrimage to being restored to God, from and out of what was the most frightful, hopeless scene - and I am not using that word lightly here, as children are prone to misuse the expression "I'm starving!", when they have merely become keen to their stomach 'signaling' to them of an empty feeling.
I know what it is to face utter hoplessness; and then know what it is to - in a most profound way, experience what it means to receive without merit, the mercy of God, when all hope of this had been stripped from my soul. I would love to encourage you in these things, But have to do so off this forum.
So unless I can figure out how to email you, you'll have to figure that out (as I think you have already) for us both. Bless you and am even now lifting you up before the God's throne, our Father in prayer for you sister.
P.P.
P.S. There are others who have come to the staggering to be sure, but nevertheless, reality of the will of God regarding so-called 're-marriage'. They're lives, are now a testimony, the testimony...a genuine and beautiful testimony, and a worthy example, to "the true grace of" God in all this.
Again, bless you, and BFT, "keeping yourself in the love of God" ...pursue the right way. Remember, and now consider the meaning to Jeremiah's words about "Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein." [Jer 6:16] Let us be of those...though few, that DO walk therein...in the will of God, by his empowering Spirit.
Brother P.P.
"But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
¶ Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." [Jude 1:21-25]
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