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JBagley -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/4/2008 11:37:02 PM)

Well, thanks for that.



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/5/2008 2:18:27 PM)

This thread can become quite heated so the moderator in their wisdom, demand that we don't get personal. I think that it is a very good idea.



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/5/2008 8:19:22 PM)

You can discuss any possible scenario you want, you just can't relate it to specific individuals.



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/6/2008 6:52:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner

If a relationship continuously displays the fruit of the Spirit, how can you say God has no part of it? What if a relationship rarely displays the fruit of the Spirit? At least one person in that group is walking outside of God's will, IMHO.


Also, If an individual does not live according to Christ's commandments then they do not display the fruit of His Spirit:

1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 2:3-6 By this We know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

That includes His commandments regarding marriage, divorce, and remarriage:

1 Corinthians 7:10-13 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

1 Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Romans 7:2-3 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”

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Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery.

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

I Corinthians 6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such WERE some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

1 John 3:7-10 Little children, MAKE SURE NO ONE DECEIVES YOU; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. BY THIS the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Ephesians 5:5-8 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them; for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light.

SealedEternal



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/7/2008 7:54:27 AM)

According to your post, the person in a new union, with a previous partner still alive, is an on going adulterer and then could not consistently display the fruits of the Spirit. But observing life, this is not the case.



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/7/2008 7:02:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner

According to your post, the person in a new union, with a previous partner still alive, is an on going adulterer and then could not consistently display the fruits of the Spirit. But observing life, this is not the case.


The mere fact that a person is in what Christ defines as an adulterous relationship and is not repenting, is itself evidence that the person is not exhibiting the fruit of His Spirit.

SealedEternal



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/8/2008 6:39:40 AM)

# 2 Love (Latin: caritas)
# 3 Joy (Latin: gaudium)
# 4 Peace (Latin: pax)
# 5 Patience (Latin: longanimitas)
# 6 Kindness (Latin: benignitas)
# 7 Goodness (Latin: bonitas)
# 8 Faithfulness (Latin: fides)
# 9 Gentleness (Latin: mansuetude)
# 10 Self-Control (Latin: continen

love not only for themselves but for those around them and even strangers, Joy in life despite on coming troubles and storms, peace that makes others wonder how they cope so well, patience to not get annoyed with folks around them or opportunities long coming, kindness in their dealings with cashiers and waitresses and bus drivers and the next door kids, gentleness with animals and in response to harsh words, self-control to build the relationship they are in...learning from the past mistakes and troubles.... yeah, no Fruit of the Spirit there. [;)]



keepingfaith -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/8/2008 1:14:45 PM)

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love not only for themselves but for those around them and even strangers, Joy in life despite on coming troubles and storms, peace that makes others wonder how they cope so well, patience to not get annoyed with folks around them or opportunities long coming, kindness in their dealings with cashiers and waitresses and bus drivers and the next door kids, gentleness with animals and in response to harsh words, self-control to build the relationship they are in...learning from the past mistakes and troubles.... yeah, no Fruit of the Spirit there.


These examples don't really prove anything, because I know lots of people who exhibit these behaviors, but they are not following the Lord. There are lots of "good" people out there, but scripture says few find the narrow way that leads to life. And you will hear Pastors preach on this, how being a "good" and "nice" person does not get you to Heaven. We have to accept Christ...as LORD of our lives- which means we've surrendered and submitted our lives to HIM and we are no longer calling the shots- HE IS.

I know a woman who took an innocent faithful Christian woman's husband- but to everyone around her looks like she is all of the above...she sits in church every Sunday, and she also left her husband for this man- leaving 2 different broken homes for 4 children. Would you call them "in Christ?" Is that what Christian love does to their neighbor? I also know men who treat others the way you described with such kindness and respect, but to their wife or "ex"-wife- they treat them despicably- not the way anyone who is "in Christ" would.

Someone who has the fruit- faithfulness, love, peace will have joy in life despite the trials, despite a wayward spouse, and you are right they will not be shaken because we WALK BY FAITH, so it will not hinder us walking out our commitments and our vows. And we will not discriminate who we extend that love and faithfulness to. We will display those same fruits toward our spouse... til death. We will not look to other sources of fulfillment other than God who is always faithful. True faith walks in accordance with His Word.



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/8/2008 1:37:14 PM)

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These examples don't really prove anything, because I know lots of people who exhibit these behaviors, but they are not following the Lord.


True, you can't judge a book by it's cover. That is why I said, consistantly displays these fruit. Since these are fruits of the Spirit, they cannot be worked up by human self will.

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because we WALK BY FAITH, so it will not hinder us walking out our commitments and our vows. They will not look to other sources of fulfillment other than God who is always faithful.


Other sources of fulfillment then God? That is a leap of judgment.



keepingfaith -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/8/2008 3:46:10 PM)

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That is why I said, consistantly displays these fruit.


How can we be consistent in our faithfulness and love if we are refusing to remain faithful to our vows that said we would love for better for worse til death forsaking all others? Isn’t that being consistently unfaithful? Consistently refusing to remain reconcilable and consistently refusing to AGAPE love the way He does us?

That’s the only thing He asks us to get right is our LOVE…and it should look very different than the world’s view of love (the Hollywood fairytale). Love based on what we are getting or how others treat us isn’t love- it’s selfishness. He says “by this everyone will know you are my disciples- by your love for one another…”

Reading all of Matthew we see we are called to a much different standard for treating others- even our enemies. We are called to do everything that is the exact opposite of the natural response- the worldly response. We are called to do what is only possible in the supernatural.

That’s another reason the so-called “exception” for adultery makes no sense, because it is the obvious worldly response- if your spouse cheats you leave them- the world doesn’t think twice about that. Jesus would not raise the bar so high all throughout Matthew and then make this exception that goes against everything He just said about forgiving, treating those who betray and hurt you- and doing the OPPOSITE of what the natural wordly response is.

The world doesn’t know God’s love and forgiveness, so they do not consider showing that kind of love. We understand the kind of love that made a man die for us WHILE we were yet sinners, so we should show it CONSISTENTLY.

I’m glad Jesus didn’t call me a “mistake” and move on to the next…



keepingfaith -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/8/2008 8:05:44 PM)

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According to your post, the person in a new union, with a previous partner still alive, is an on going adulterer and then could not consistently display the fruits of the Spirit. But observing life, this is not the case.


I didn't see Sealed "saying" anything- all he did was quote scripture that says we are bound to our spouse as long as they live, and if while they live... we "marry" another we will be committing adultery against the spouse we are still bound to. And if we "marry" a divorced person, we are really taking someone who is still bound to their first spouse as long as they live, so we are also committing adultery with someone else's spouse.

Matthew 7:21-22
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Thes. 4:3-8
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you."

Romans 7:1-3
"Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man."

Luke 16:18
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery."



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/9/2008 8:19:43 AM)

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How can we be consistent in our faithfulness and love if we are refusing to remain faithful to our vows that said we would love for better for worse til death forsaking all others? Isn’t that being consistently unfaithful? Consistently refusing to remain reconcilable and consistently refusing to AGAPE love the way He does us?


I used to agree with the Death before Divorce stance, BTW. When I divorced I believed that I would have to be single till death. It was something I was willing to accept. One can forgive and apply AGAPE love without being under the same roof. Indeed, sometimes the pain of separation is the kick in the pants to get a spouse to move towards a Godly change. Sometimes a spouse leaves and you have to let them go. God is about redemption and restoration and sometimes that restoration is not with the union that was a sinful mistake all along. (once again, this is an excuse used way too often)

As I have studied further, I have changed my mind about remarriage... not because I was rationalizing my desires. I just want to let you know that just because I do not agree, that I do not understand what you are telling me.



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/9/2008 8:59:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: keepingfaith

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According to your post, the person in a new union, with a previous partner still alive, is an on going adulterer and then could not consistently display the fruits of the Spirit. But observing life, this is not the case.


I didn't see Sealed "saying" anything- all he did was quote scripture that says we are bound to our spouse as long as they live, and if while they live... we "marry" another we will be committing adultery against the spouse we are still bound to. And if we "marry" a divorced person, we are really taking someone who is still bound to their first spouse as long as they live, so we are also committing adultery with someone else's spouse.


I purposely posted those verses of God's Word with virtually no commentary because they are self explanatory and need none. What Car2ner therefore is claiming is that His Word is not true according to her observations. She either doesn't believe Jesus' statement that "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" is true, or she doesn't believe that those who practice adultery are not children of God and heirs to His Kingdom as stated in I Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 3:7-10, and Ephesians 5:5-8, among other places. In either case, it is not me she has a disagreement with because I didn't post my own "thoughts" or "observations" on the subject, but limited the post arranged by me predominately to God's statements on the topic.

SealedEternal



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/10/2008 12:04:17 PM)

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What Car2ner therefore is claiming is that His Word is not true according to her observations. She either doesn't believe Jesus' statement that "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" is true,


This is nearly correct. I do not believe that every believer who remarries commits adultery and that God calls us to divorce to be forgiven of adultery and I have quoted how I see that in scripture in the past.

I do not disagree with the Word but the way some folks apply the word. This is a topic that intelligent God loving biblical scholars have debated over the centuries and I doubt that any of us will understand the whole truth this side of heaven.



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/10/2008 8:40:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner

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What Car2ner therefore is claiming is that His Word is not true according to her observations. She either doesn't believe Jesus' statement that "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" is true,


This is nearly correct. I do not believe that every believer who remarries commits adultery and that God calls us to divorce to be forgiven of adultery and I have quoted how I see that in scripture in the past.


Then my statement is correct that you don't believe that Jesus meant what He said as recorded in His Word, because He said that "Everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" which you deny. If you did accept those words then you would also understand that what He calls adultery is not a marriage in His eyes by definition, so there is no "divorce" from that relationship, but rather that the person would simply stop committing it and return to his or her rightful spouse if possible or allow their partner to return to their rightful spouse.

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I do not disagree with the Word but the way some folks apply the word. This is a topic that intelligent God loving biblical scholars have debated over the centuries and I doubt that any of us will understand the whole truth this side of heaven.


I don't think that God is the author of confusion, and on this issue He is not in the least bit equivocal in His statements about the marriage bond and what He considers an additional marriage while ones original spouse lives. The problem with this and most other issues is the hearts of mankind, and whether we are willing to accept His Words or not.

SealedEternal



benelchi -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/10/2008 11:14:31 PM)

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Then my statement is correct that you don't believe that Jesus meant what He said as recorded in His Word, because He said that "Everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery" which you deny. If you did accept those words then you would also understand that what He calls adultery is not a marriage in His eyes by definition, so there is no "divorce" from that relationship, but rather that the person would simply stop committing it and return to his or her rightful spouse if possible or allow their partner to return to their rightful spouse.


No, Sealed you are incorrect. Most simply accept the rest of Jesus' statements on divorce and remarriage also recorded in the bible i.e. those recorded in Mt. 5 and 19. And BECAUSE they accept ALL of God's word on this topic and not just the parts you like to quote, they recognize and reject your invalid interpretation.



Akinbowale -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 6:09:37 AM)

DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE – AN ACTS OF REMOVING GOD’S ANCIENT LANDMARK IN OUR MODERN TIMES.
Proverbs 24:21; Isaiah 55:7; Malachi 2:14-16; Matthew 19:6; Revelation 22:18-19
God set landmarks in His word. The Bible doctrines are God’s ancient landmarks which God Himself has set. “My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, for as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” That is why the Bible says: “My son, fear thou the Lord and the king: and meddle not with them that given to change”. If you tamper with God’s landmark you will slump into doctrinal compromise.
Divorce is a direct blow against who instituted Marriage. From the beginning, Adam & Eve did not have second choice, so God is not God of second choice in marriage .He hate divorce. Divorce close the door of reconciliation – 1Corinthians 7:11
Remarriage to another constitutes adultery, Romans 7:3; Luke 16:18; Proverbs 30:20; Mark 10:1-12; Matthew 5:31-32.
Divorce and remarriage are very common in the advanced nations, and it’s eaten deep at the fabric of Christianity in this modern times. Men and women are changing their commitment and consecration, God’s ancient landmark is being removed as a result of disobedient to God’s word but God never change Malachi 3:5-6
“Remove not the ancient landmarks which thy father’s have set” (Proverbs 22:28).
The worldly system has crept into the church of God as a result of political systems and compromising preacher in our modern times. When we do things in God’s way, we receive divine backing and good result ( this is getting the mind of Christ, not seeking our own ) 1John 2:6; Philippians 2:5 True Christians are only pilgrim on earth, God’s word is giving to us as the only final authority and only true guideline to follow. The Bible tell us clearly that the books will be opened for Genesis to Revelation and we will be judge by what God has written in those book…. And not by man’s interpretation.
In the Middle East churches, it is impossible to get divorce under any circumstances. If you happen to want a divorce, you will have to go to the Moslem court who will demand that you DENY Christ and accept Mohammed. Then, they will grant you a divorce and remarry you to a MOSLEM. But the Christian Court will not divorce and remarry anyone. If a person goes to the Moslem Court and denies Christ, then, he is a heretic and put out of the Christian Church. And if he dies, the church will not bury him. All the churches of all the denomination do their own marriages, and they don’t have to go to the Moslem (Government) Court, as they do in the advanced nations But the church do the whole work and register them in the church book and issue a legal marriage Certificate. And no Christian church will issue a divorce to anyone on any grounds whatever – except putting away for the cause of FORNICATION.
In view of God’s judgment, preachers must preach the whole counsel of God and made every member stand to it, we must preach strict disciplined in the church, not to turn the grace of God to lasciviousness. God is certainly LOVE… but the LOVE of God does not trample over the justice of God. Read John3:36
God called us unto holiness, and without holiness no man shall see the Lord(Hebrew 12:14). Judgment must first begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us, what will be end of those who know not God?–1Peters 4:17.
God is merciful, He is ready to forgive us and heals our land if will turn to Him today with humility and genuine repentance (2Chronicle 7:14, Proverbs 28:13; Ezekiel 18:30-33).
There is nothing like God of second chance in marriage. He is not a respecter of person. You can’t divorce and remarry. You can’t steal a car and continue to use it after repentance, you need to return it to the rightful owner – Restitution.
Marriage was instituted by God before God gave the law to Moses for him to teach the people of Israel . It was God that join a man and woman together not a court. Infact, court was not privy to man’s creation, the Creator and the Founder of marriage says “ ….He hates putting away…..” Malachi 2:16). Christ added ….” Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you , whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery; and whosoever marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. His disciples say unto him, if the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry .But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying…” (Matthew 19: 8-11a). But if you born of God, you will overcome this thing; “whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: for this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith” (1John 5:4).i.e. you must overcome sins(the works of the flesh), self(flesh and passions), Satan(temptation and its allurements), and the world(the lust of eyes and the pride of life), and live a life of self-crucifixion daily with absolute dependence on God’s grace daily before you can be a true child of God.
As a matter of fact, all that court does in marriage is a written witness that two people have agreed to join in Holy matrimony that is instituted by God for the spreading of the human race on earth. God does nor change His laws nor His standards for any one or any generation. His word still remains “ Whatever God has joined t ogether, let no man put asunder” A true born again child of God will not put asunder God’s ordained institution. The Ancient of days hates putting away!
In Matthew 19:1-8 – Moses permitting them to put away their wives did not receive the approval of Jesus. Neither did God tell Moses to go ahead and let them put asunder what I have put, and take another chance at it, and try to make the second marriage succeed.
Remarriage to another constitutes adultery. Romans 7:3; Luke 16:18; Proverbs 30:20; Mark 10:11-12.
Saving for the cause of fornication: Matthew 5:31-32; Matthew 19:9 – Jesus is dealing with one who has broken the law of espousal by fornication. Under the law of espousal they were already considered husband and wife before they came together (Deuteronomy 22: 25-26; Matthew 1:18-25 – The bridegroom had the option to put his espousal wife away when she was guilty of fornication. Joseph did as he was told, “and knew her not, till she brought forth her first son” (Matthew 1:25).
In 1Corinthians 7:15, 11 A brother or Sister have unbelieving companion can separate but remained unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. 1Corinthians 7:39-40; But if her husband died, she can remarry (she is free to do so Romans 7:3). Hence, when one commits adultery, they sin against the marriage vow and bed. But when one commits fornication, they sin against their own body (1Corinthians 6:19-20).
“ A house can change from a heaven to a hell when a child acquires a stepparent”. But God house is established on truth, laws and judgment which are part of the nature of God. God house is a holy place (our body is the temple of Holy Ghost ), the worshippers of God must live a holy life and abide in the God-given heavenly constitution (The Bible) to guide us on earth. 1Timothy 3:15; 2John9-11)
God is a God of orderliness. The combination of holiness, faith and prayer make a lethal weapon no enemy can face, the family that has it shall do exploits. ”Meditate upon these things: give thyself wholly to them that they may appear to all. Take heed to thyself and unto the doctrine: continue in them; for in this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee”(1Timothy 4: 15-16). But for those who hold the truth of God in unrighteousness shall be judged.. 1Peter 4:16, 17-19; 3:4; 1peter 3:17; James 1:15-16; Romans 1:22-24; 1Corinthians 6:9; 15:33-34. God’s judgment on whoredom Read: Leviticus 19:29; Deuteronomy 23:17-18; 22:13-30; Ezekiel 16:33-59; Ephesians 5:5-6; 1Timothy 1:9-10; Hebrews13:4; Revelation 21:8 “ “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband….” 2Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 19:7



benelchi -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 10:20:56 AM)

Many of the verse presented in your post are taken completely out of context; they do not say what you have told us they do. Examples:

In the Mt. 5 and 19 passages Christ clearly indicates an exception for marital unfaithfulness.

In Co. 7 Paul clearly indicates an exception for abandonment by an unbeliever.

In Ro. 7 Paul is not even speaking about guidelines for divorce and remarriage, and simply used an example from marriage. Using it as a proof against divorce and remarriage is pushing far beyond anything the context allows.

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You also ignored the Du. 24:1-4 passage (the one that explicit defines the guidelines for both divorce and remarriage. In this passage it is made clear that the marriage bond can be irrevocably broken because it is made clear that a remarried spouse is not permitted to return to a former spouse.



Divorce is an epidemic problem in the church, and the church can and should take a stronger stand against the sin of divorce; however, there are times when a person is divorced even though they had no part in the choice to do so; their spouse was in sin but they were not. The bible clearly addresses situations like these, and ignoring the instructions God gave in these circumstances is placing a burden on people that God never did!



DaveW -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 11:24:54 AM)

What benelchi said......



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 1:21:29 PM)

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Then my statement is correct that you don't believe that Jesus meant what He said as recorded in His Word,


What I mean is that I do not agree that Jesus said what you say that He said, that this is a black and white issue. I do not expect to change your opinion. As I said before, I understand where you are coming from although, when I believed that there was no option for divorce and/ or remarriage I also did not dare call anyone's salvation into question because of it. This is another point where we disagree on the application of the Word .



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 1:35:01 PM)

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“ A house can change from a heaven to a hell when a child acquires a stepparent”.


Hmm, this is a bit of a generalization. How about some hellish homes with natural parents? How about homes that have loving step parents? And if a Godly marriage is healed, the home becomes more stable and happy but certainly not heaven.



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 8:37:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner

What I mean is that I do not agree that Jesus said what you say that He said, that this is a black and white issue. I do not expect to change your opinion. As I said before, I understand where you are coming from although, when I believed that there was no option for divorce and/ or remarriage I also did not dare call anyone's salvation into question because of it. This is another point where we disagree on the application of the Word .


Did Jesus say "everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery", and do you believe that statement is true or false?

SealedEternal



SealedEternal -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/11/2008 8:48:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

No, Sealed you are incorrect. Most simply accept the rest of Jesus' statements on divorce and remarriage also recorded in the bible i.e. those recorded in Mt. 5 and 19.


I accept those also in their proper context, which was in relation to the Law of Moses for Old Covenant people, but you do not accept Jesus' and Paul's statements which clearly teach that remarriages after a divorce are not legitimate marriages, but rather extramarital affairs, and that marrying a divorced person is to commit adultery as well.

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And BECAUSE they accept ALL of God's word on this topic and not just the parts you like to quote, they recognize and reject your invalid interpretation.


You don't accept them all, but rather misapply two and deny the rest. I on the other hand do accept them all and have put them all together in a clear and consistent manner countless times on this thread, and unlike you, have answered everyones challenges to my contentions. You know for a fact that I, unlike you, have never avoided any verse of scripture or anyones questions regarding my position, so your assertion that I only accept parts that I like is false and you fully know so.

SealedEternal



car2ner -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/12/2008 6:46:00 AM)

I am not getting sidetracked from my original thought a few posts back which is this:

If God considers the subsequent union a constant state of adultery, I would not expect to see a continuous and dependable display of the Fruit of the Spirit.

I do not wish to go around the same cycle that we have repeated over and over. I was simply wishing to inject this thought to the discussion.



Fritzpw_Admin -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (9/12/2008 10:00:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: car2ner

If God considers the subsequent union a constant state of adultery, I would not expect to see a continuous and dependable display of the Fruit of the Spirit.

Is a Mormon able to make a continuous display of the Fruit of the Spirit?



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