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RE: joyce meyer - 10/3/2006 5:26:27 PM
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Ok I am really struggling with this now. Because Joyce put out a book called Approval Addiction. This is something I really want to read and feel I need to read. I have read things in the bible that pertain to this which I think is great, and the ultimate place to read. And I'm sure a few of you are waiting to tell me that's the ONLY place I should read it but I enjyo hearing explanations from other people because sometimes it helps me to understand better.
Can someone here tell me a good author or book that you beleive is in line with God's word who has any books related to having Christ Confidence or books on insecurity and things like that?
Thanks!
Please carefully consider this:
Heb 11:1-6
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen..............
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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But you may ask, “How do I get this faith?”
Rom 10:17
17 .........faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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A child can understand Scripture.
Mark 10:15
15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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Approval Addiction? Scripture calls it PRIDE and self seeking. When in the flesh mankind wants to “touch the glory” intended for God alone.
Read your Bible. All the answers are in there in plain site if you’re genuinely seeking God’s will for your life.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/4/2006 7:39:50 AM
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Sox thank you for answering my question. I was just wondering. I believe if God is showing is other people, he shows us ourselves first. I was just curious.
"Being sinful doesn't negate our duty to test all things through scripture"
Neither have I said this. I said i was just questioning to make sure while were pointing out the falseness in people that God is showing us ourselves as well. Because if hes not, I question your walk.
"We are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Just as I would not want myself to be deceived by lies, neither do I want my neighbors, who I love and care about, to be deceived, either"
Thats true love, and its wonderful of you  .
I've had the Sky Angel satellite service for over 4 years. I remember when I got it, friends of ours would tell us to watch this teacher, that teacher, etc. I knew a little about false teachers like Joyce Meyer and others, but felt that it wasn't fair to form an opinion based solely on what I read from others. My wife and I made it a point to watch each TV teacher one by one armed only with our Bibles and the Holy Spirit as our guides. Believe me, we sat through what would constitute the "False Teacher Hall of Fame" (Meyer, Osteen, Duplantis, Dollar, Hinn, Parsley, Hickey, Hagee, Copeland, Joyner, Murdock, Hickey, Price, Hagin, etc).
Now I'm far from a biblical scholar, but 5 minutes of any of these, and it was more than obvious that their theology was at best off base, at worst heretical.
While I may include quotes from other writers, etc, please be aware that most of my knowledge of the perversion of God's word by these people comes from first hand research into what THEY actually say. No room for mis-interpretation that way.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/4/2006 2:18:30 PM
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Thank you to all those who answered my questions.
I completely disagree that the only book we should EVER pick up is the bible. I beleive this is where we should receive all of our instruction and understanding of what God expects from our lives. However, I do believe that it is wise to study the bible along with guides and read books written by christian authors who STRICTLY go by teh word. i'm sorry but a lot of times I don't understand every single thing the bible teaches and it is helpful to have a guide or maybe read a different explanation.
If that is the case that we shouldn't be listening to anything but our bible thenw e should stop attending church and bible studies because we are hearing and learning from other people besides the bible.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/4/2006 3:48:04 PM
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Frankly, I think that we are over run with books, books, books, books. We turn to books on how to deal with our children, family members, spouses, workplace. The explosion of pop psychology in the church is frightening.
I'll bet you many people who could list most of Joyce Meyer's or some other popular author's books couldn't name the 66 books of the bible, or even tell you that there are 66 books or know how many are in the New Testament or Old Testament.
There are too many biblically illiterate people out there - it's scary. The first place you should run, especially if you are a baby Christian, is the Bible. God gave it to us because it is complete.
I'm not saying that other books don't have their place. I'm just saddened by everyone turning to pop psychology to answer their problems instead of becoming more familiar with the ultimate life textbook, direct from the breath of God.
Do not get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE books. I really do. I have scores of books, mainly fiction and history, some poetry, some theology, but very few "inspirational psychology" books. I look to the bible first, others second.
What does God say about your problem? Why not go directly to the source and skip the middle man?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/4/2006 3:55:09 PM
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Frankly, I think that we are over run with books, books, books, books. We turn to books on how to deal with our children, family members, spouses, workplace. The explosion of pop psychology in the church is frightening.
I'll bet you many people who could list most of Joyce Meyer's or some other popular author's books couldn't name the 66 books of the bible, or even tell you that there are 66 books or know how many are in the New Testament or Old Testament.
There are too many biblically illiterate people out there - it's scary. The first place you should run, especially if you are a baby Christian, is the Bible. God gave it to us because it is complete.
I'm not saying that other books don't have their place. I'm just saddened by everyone turning to pop psychology to answer their problems instead of becoming more familiar with the ultimate life textbook, direct from the breath of God.
Do not get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE books. I really do. I have scores of books, mainly fiction and history, some poetry, some theology, but very few "inspirational psychology" books. I look to the bible first, others second.
What does God say about your problem? Why not go directly to the source and skip the middle man?
Thank you for finally saying this Wizzy! I have started to say it so many times in the threads. If I hear someone refer another Christian to "Boundaries" one more time, I think I'll scream! The answers to everything we need for life and the issues that we face can be found in the Bible, and while I agree there are some good books out there, many run to them before they go to God's Word...and that is just plain wrong!
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/4/2006 10:55:05 PM
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I'll bet you many people who could list most of Joyce Meyer's or some other popular author's books couldn't name the 66 books of the bible, or even tell you that there are 66 books or know how many are in the New Testament or Old Testament.
"There are too many biblically illiterate people out there - it's scary. The first place you should run, especially if you are a baby Christian, is the Bible. God gave it to us because it is complete.
I'm not saying that other books don't have their place. I'm just saddened by everyone turning to pop psychology to answer their problems instead of becoming more familiar with the ultimate life textbook, direct from the breath of God.
Do not get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE books. I really do. I have scores of books, mainly fiction and history, some poetry, some theology, but very few "inspirational psychology" books. I look to the bible first, others second.
What does God say about your problem? Why not go directly to the source and skip the middle man? "
This is so the truth. Its very rarely I read a book concering answers to life, and if I do you better believe Im led by the holyghost. Oh how careful we have to be. Alot of times people write books from scripture but according to their own interpretation of it. Even with bible study, thats why when It comes to it I basically sit under my leader who God ordained for my life, and if I go to another bible study I try to know that person's spirit, if they are truly a chosen biblical teacher.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/8/2006 6:27:29 PM
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I love Joyce. Her book Battlefield of the Mind changed my life. I believe our words are powerful. They can hurt, heal, bless, and curse. As a child who grew up in an alcoholic home, if you hear 'you're nothing, stupid, etc" all your life, you believe it, and it WILL manifest itself in your life. Along those lines, isn't it by faith that we confess(using words) that Jesus is Lord, and by doing so we shall be saved? (Lets not get into an osas battle now, I'm just trying to make a point). God spoke everything into existance. There is a big difference in using our words in combination with our faith to believe God for something, otherwise our prayers would be useless, because the word says to pray and believe. But I don't believe in the name it claim it idea, which imo, is different from speaking out in faith. As far as what she does with her money, its really none of my business, cause I know I haven't always been prudent with mine. I have no right to judge her. If I do that, I better be judging everyone who says we should treat our bodies as a temple of the Lord, but is overweight, etc. You get the idea.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 3:53:19 PM
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I love Joyce. Her book Battlefield of the Mind changed my life. I believe our words are powerful. They can hurt, heal, bless, and curse. As a child who grew up in an alcoholic home, if you hear 'you're nothing, stupid, etc" all your life, you believe it, and it WILL manifest itself in your life. Along those lines, isn't it by faith that we confess(using words) that Jesus is Lord, and by doing so we shall be saved? (Lets not get into an osas battle now, I'm just trying to make a point). God spoke everything into existance. There is a big difference in using our words in combination with our faith to believe God for something, otherwise our prayers would be useless, because the word says to pray and believe. But I don't believe in the name it claim it idea, which imo, is different from speaking out in faith. As far as what she does with her money, its really none of my business, cause I know I haven't always been prudent with mine. I have no right to judge her. If I do that, I better be judging everyone who says we should treat our bodies as a temple of the Lord, but is overweight, etc. You get the idea.
The name-it-and-claim-it and the "speaking in faith" idea is the same thing. No one is judging Ms. Meyer. We are holding her teachings up to scripture and find them, at best, to be lacking. Yes, God did speak matter into being but there is a very large flaw in that argument - we are not, have never been, and will never be God (or little "Gods").
She teaches lies, distorted truth, and you would be wise to read this thread and study on what we have exposed of her false teaching.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 5:28:41 PM
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I have been wise, and I have read this whole thread. All of the character bashing, the 'dressing like a call girl' and the statements she supposedly made which were in some instances probably taken out of context. As I said on another bboard I belong to, you can't take one piece of a statement and tell me what the whole thing is about. Who am I to judge her heart and love for God? Even if she is misinterpreting scripture, what make me or anyone else for that matter so sure I've got it 100% correct? I probably don't. No one should think themselves so high and mighty to say I'm always right and they are not. I will not stand before God and give an acoount for Joyce's life, I will give account for mine. If I am misinformed, or under false teaching I am sure that God will let me know one way or another. He is merciful, loving and forgiving, (to which some here seem to have forgotten what that is) and as I learned in church yesterday, there is no place God's arm cannot reach down and pull me out of. I believe that to include sin, false teaching or anything not Godly. How many are praying for her if they feel she is so misinformed or teaching falsely? Are you praying that she gets wisdom in this or just putting her under condemnation?
I really don't care what she does with her money considering the clinics, orphanges, girl's homes, and ministries she has started or contributed too. Seems everyone is looking at the bad and not the good. I really don't care how much she spends on her home, or family or recreation. If people who are bashing her made the same amount he did, they cannot honeslty tell me they wouldn't use it on themselves either. I also believe that a big reason for the bashing is because she is a christian and in the public eye. If noone knew her, no one would really care. What's the difference between a christian who is in the public eye and rich, than a rich business man or woman who is a christian and isn't in the public eye? No matter what anyone thinks is right or wrong, I don't believe I have the right to pull the splinter out of her eye when I have some logs in my own.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 5:50:07 PM
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they cannot honeslty tell me they wouldn't use it on themselves either.
I can, because I do not think an extravagent over the top lifestyle is a good testimony. I have no desire to have extravagent items, and while I do desire the Lord's blessings it is in order that I may pass the blessing on to other people. That is my nature and has been my habit for some time. I have given away things to people that I could have sold for significant money - because it was GIVEN to me ultimately from God, and I believe it was His intention that I bless someone else with it.
I was so pleased with Mr. T when he gave up wearing all that ridiculous trade-mark gold jewelery - he said it would be a sin before God to flaunt his wealth when there are so many people in the world living below poverty level.
There is a reason Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven - it is because many rich people love their "things" more than they desire to serve God with their "things" (Like when Jesus said "Sell ALL you have and give it to the poor" to the young ruler, who walked away sad, because he was very rich.
I've never said that God wants us to live in poverty, but the bible verse "store up treasures for yourself in heaven where theives do not break in and steal and where moth and rust do not corrupt" kind of gives us God's viewpoint on material wealth, eh?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 6:03:04 PM
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I understand what you are saying. I just don't understand why so many think you can't be rich and be godly. I belive you can have nice things and live comfortably and have financial freedom, as long as you are blessing others along the way, and be willing to give it up if He asks us to. It would be pretty hard to bless others if we are all just getting by. I believe if He doesn't want me to have it, I won't have it. If He wants to bless me, then He'll bless me. If He wants me to give it all up, I will. IMO, it comes down to our things ruling us or us ruling our things.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 6:19:58 PM
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There's a line between being "comfortable" and "grotesque."
Let me put it this way - I do not want to live in such a way that people who don't know anything about me would "know" that I have "big bucks"...kwim?
Should the Lord bless me with financial wealth, I would like to keep that between Him and me, and the people He leads me to quietly and privately bless with what the He has given me.
That's my personal opinion. I can't say that she isn't godly, but I do believe that her lifestyle is over the line of comfortable and way into the extreme of grotesque.
It's like she's trying to prove somethign to someone, how much she's worth materially = how much she's worth period. That's my observtion - not saying it's true. Just saying how it appears.
And I don't want anyone to ever think that of ME. kwim?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 6:40:24 PM
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"but I do believe that her lifestyle is over the line of comfortable and way into the extreme of grotesque.
It's like she's trying to prove somethign to someone, how much she's worth materially = how much she's worth period. That's my observtion - not saying it's true. Just saying how it appears.
And I don't want anyone to ever think that of ME".
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Do what you believe and perceive seem more important than God telling you about her?
Who on here has God actually spoke to audiobly and said " she is crazy about money more than me just because she have alot of material things, she only wants money and desire to show off"?
Is what we have or who we are about what people think? Sinners think all of us are crazy to their natural eyes.
Who did God make on here the righteous, all knowing, correct seeing judge of people?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 7:45:51 PM
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Perhaps you missed the part where I said it was my opinion?
Acutally I asked the question, and did you pay attention to the other question which I asked quote:
Do what you believe and perceive seem more important than God telling you about her?
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Who on here said they were the righteous, all knowing, correct seeing judge of people?
Nobody actually said it, but some people are acting it act out on here which is why I asked. Thats why there is a saying " When you point one finger at someone, three is pointed back at you"
People are saying how joyce meyer is false and at the same time others are looking at some people on here in the eye of self righteousness and showing that God cannot trust them to see something about their own brother and sister in christ without them telling the whole world instead of praying or trying to be the solution. Maybe im wrong, but I see some people that God cannot trust to see things about others without operating in self righteousness or to try to take manners in their own hands by getting on these forums.
Because if truth be told people are quickly to stone you, cast you aside, or say " its over for you" before they will be the person to help at praying and asking God to send someone or himself to help that person see their error.
Know the bible did say if your brother or sister offend you to go to them, or did it say get on the forums? I do understand some people truly love people and dont want them to be confused, but that needs to be put in the hands of God.
He is the one who can truly protect us from false doctrine and open the eyes of our understanding that we may be enlighten. Just God had to draw us by his holyspirit and open our eyes to the truth because Satan comes to blind people, God has to do it. There are some people who really follow what Joyce Meyer teachings, God himself has to show them especially if they really trust and love her " if" she is doing what everyone says.
maybe I need to listen more to her because I dont take other's word more than the true source
Anyhow those who said they prayed, did God tell you to get on these forums and make a thread about her?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/9/2006 8:36:33 PM
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chosen4nations: He is the one who can truly protect us from false doctrine and open the eyes of our understanding that we may be enlighten. Just God had to draw us by his holyspirit and open our eyes to the truth because Satan comes to blind people, God has to do it.
Did it occur to you that God can work through Christians to point out the truth and reveal the false? Did it occur to you that people's eyes can be opened through His truth when they see a particular false teaching exposed and compared to the Holy Bible - whether it's in a personal discussion, a forum, a book, or a website? God convicts us of the truth, and Christians are commanded to tell the truth. Sometimes telling the truth means telling the truth about false teachings, as well.
Here's how God has worked through Christians in the past. They told the truth and took action rather than sit silently by while others were being misled.
1 Tim 5:20 Those who sin are to be rebuked publically, so that the others may take warning.
Eph 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”
Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. 10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach – and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
1 Tim 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work – which is by faith.
Rom 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.
Rev 2:2 [To the church in Ephesus] I know you cannot tolerate wicked men, those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
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Know the bible did say if your brother or sister offend you to go to them, or did it say get on the forums? I do understand some people truly love people and dont want them to be confused, but that needs to be put in the hands of God.
Public false teaching is not a private personal offense. The purpose of pointing it out is to warn others.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 12:43:47 AM
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I cant watch her. I didnt know about this money stuff but it dosent surprise me. It seems as though she self promoted herself into ministry as she says in her testimony when she started out she would sit with a group of women with short shorts and a cigarette in her mouth discussing the bible I believe she called this a bible study. Although talented in some areas I do not believe God called her to preach. As I was channel surfing one day I passed her and she was saying Gods name in such a disrespectful manner I remember changing the channel in horror saying she does not know what shes doing to herself and havent watched her since.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 3:20:12 AM
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Okay, I would like some of yall to answer this question
Anyhow those who said they prayed, did God tell you to get on these forums and make a thread about her?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 6:44:24 AM
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Did God tell you to come and defend false teachers?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 8:07:32 AM
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Okay, I would like some of yall to answer this question
Anyhow those who said they prayed, did God tell you to get on these forums and make a thread about her?
Paul commanded the Bereans to test ALL his teaching against Scripture and we are commanded to do the same. If even one person's spiritual eyes are opened to the truth about these false teachers, then this forum has been successful!
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 11:20:08 AM
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chosen4nations: Anyhow those who said they prayed, did God tell you to get on these forums and make a thread about her?
God directs me to tell the truth, speak out against false teachings, and help others understand the difference between the true and the false ALL THE TIME. You apparently have been receiving a completely different message.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 4:06:03 PM
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Did God tell you to come and defend false teachers?
No he didnt, and no did I do that either. Im not defending her, I dont know her like that, neither do I dont take sides, I take God's side. And What God has commissioned me to do is " If my people which are called by name would humble themselves and pray, turn from their wicked ways, seek my face then will I hear from them AND HEAL THEIR LAND" ( Joyce Meyer would be set free from her error) understand prayer changes things. AFter you have exposed her, whats gonna change her is YOU GETTING ON YOUR FACE and OFF THE FORUMS TO PRAY. AFter you get through exposing her now what?
Not to mention nobody is coming to her being sent in the spirit of love to tell her either. Everybody is on the forum, and nobody has sent her a letter or came to her face or asked God if he would send them and open a door for them to speak to her either.
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God directs me to tell the truth, speak out against false teachings, and help others understand the difference between the true and the false ALL THE TIME.
And who have said that you are not suppose to? If you really pay attention to my post I asked questions and gave another point which was to Pray for her.
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You apparently have been receiving a completely different message.
Have I? My friend I have been receiving the message of What God's heart is saying- which is more important. Which says " I let you see somebody has fallen into error, now what are you gonna do about it besides expose her on the forums,after you have warned the people- great, but now what are you gonna do thats gonna change it?
Typically I get tired of alot of mouth and know action, such as writing a letter or asking God to open doors for you or somebody to speak to her in person about her error- this is what im saying God is saying now who is gonna be the one to continue to pray and be bold enough to allow God to use them to tell her and just not other people?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 4:20:02 PM
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chosen4nations
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whoops sorry about that whole thing being quoted 
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Dont limit God to your mind, cause your mind to line up with his! Take the limits off please!
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 4:39:42 PM
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colliefan
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Have I? My friend I have been receiving the message of What God's heart is saying- which is more important
How you have you been receiving this message? From your emotions or from God's word? You have been shown where the Bible shows false teachers are to be condemed so they may not lead others astray.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 4:42:47 PM
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Any Christian should be able to listen to Ms. Meyer for 15 minutes and recognize that she is off.
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"...And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes...no more death, sorrow, nor crying."
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