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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 5:01:41 PM
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How you have you been receiving this message? From your emotions or from God's word?
Why would I speak out of my emotions? I dont know her like that  Being instructed to do something about it by prayer and action which is coming to joyce meyer and telling her error in her face in love is now speaking out my emotions? Lord help us this day!
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You have been shown where the Bible shows false teachers are to be condemed so they may not lead others astray .
And when are you gonna pay attention to whats being spoken? do i need to speak spanish? 
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God directs me to tell the truth, speak out against false teachings, and help others understand the difference between the true and the false ALL THE TIME.
And who have said that you are not suppose to?
Are you paying attention now?
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this is what im saying God is saying now who is gonna be the one to continue to pray and be bold enough to allow God to use them to tell her and just not other people?
How about now?
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Im not defending her, I dont know her like that, neither do I dont take sides, I take God's side. And What God has commissioned me to do is " If my people which are called by name would humble themselves and pray, turn from their wicked ways, seek my face then will I hear from them AND HEAL THEIR LAND" ( Joyce Meyer would be set free from her error) understand prayer changes things.
Well how about now?
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" If my people which are called by name would humble themselves and pray, turn from their wicked ways, seek my face then will I hear from them AND HEAL THEIR LAND" ( Joyce Meyer would be set free from her error)
So now im speaking out of my emotions saying this? No you keep saying how your defending the gospel, NOBODY is saying THAT YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO,
Im saying after you defend it and help others by warning, Whos gonna be bold and come to her besides other people while praying for her? Cause actions speak louder than a whole bunch of lip.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/10/2006 7:38:09 PM
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chosen4nations:
The problem is that you consistently contradict yourself. You make statements about something, we address it, and then you attempt to change course and say 'Pay attention, I did not say that' in a very condescending manner. Your style of 'shoot first, ask questions later' is abrasive and unnecessary. For the proof, start at post #492. Makes it frustrating for the rest of us because you do not listen, and this isn't the first thread in which you have behaved this way. If you insist on coming in here and diverting the focus away from the topic, expect to be called on it.
On a side note: Shorter and more compact posts with less spacing between paragraphs or sentances are perfectly okay!
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/12/2006 2:06:27 AM
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If you insist on coming in here and diverting the focus away from the topic,
Iw9 I am not taking this thread off focus.We are talking about Joyce Meyer, how she suppose to be false teaching.
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The problem is that you consistently contradict yourself
Actually I havent, the whole time Im been on here I have said the same thing. PRAYER FOR HER and MAKE SURE YOU ARE CHECKING YOURSELF WHILE SPEAKING ON HER. I have asked questions regarding this.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/23/2006 10:28:22 AM
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I'd like to take a second and apologize for my criticism of the material goods that Joyce Meyer has collected over the years for herself.
While I still personally find it distasteful, I also believe now that it truly is NONE of my business, it is between her and God.
She will have to answer to Him for her stewardship decisions, as will I, and as will each of us.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/23/2006 1:07:48 PM
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/25/2006 8:10:34 PM
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The OP asks if there are any Joyce Meyer fans out there, what's right/wrong with her? We have 23 pages so far of what is (mostly) wrong, I would like to present a different opinion.
I LIKE Joyce Meyer. I think she's a woman of God, trying to do what God has called her to do. I don't agree with everything she says, & I don't agree with all of her doctrine. Neither do I agree with ALL of the doctrine presented by a lot of people who post here.
(I'm not here to argue doctrine,I have no interest in those who want to argue just for the sake of argument.)
When I first came back to the Lord a number of years ago, I really enjoyed listening to her on her radio show. I've bought a few of her books, I even own a few of her tapes. There are some of them that I still enjoy listening to from time to time. I haven't bought anything from her in a while, neither do I usually watch her on TV; I'm in a different place in my life now than I was then. But God has ministered to me through her on more than one occasion, and I can't say that it will never happen again.
So--anyone else out there that LIKES Joyce Meyer and has been blessed by her ministry? Any favorites among her books & messages?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/25/2006 9:49:41 PM
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I LIKE Joyce Meyer. I think she's a woman of God, trying to do what God has called her to do. I don't agree with everything she says, & I don't agree with all of her doctrine. Neither do I agree with ALL of the doctrine presented by a lot of people who post here.
I have a question. Why would God call someone to twist His Scripture and preach a false Jesus (born again in Hell)?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 2:17:42 AM
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(I'm not here to argue doctrine,I have no interest in those who want to argue just for the sake of argument.)
So--anyone else out there that LIKES Joyce Meyer and has been blessed by her ministry? Any favorites among her books & messages?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 4:01:24 AM
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I'd like to take a second and apologize for my criticism of the material goods that Joyce Meyer has collected over the years for herself.
While I still personally find it distasteful, I also believe now that it truly is NONE of my business, it is between her and God.
She will have to answer to Him for her stewardship decisions, as will I, and as will each of us.
I just want to applaud you for showing humility. You are an examples to others on here, who got all the answers  , who God has told about everybody else, and who claims " God have sent me expose everyone but myself on these forums"
I love your last statement, the fact she will have to answer to God and that we need to worry about the fact that we are not teaching false - Amen and Amen
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ORIGINAL: sisrev
(I'm not here to argue doctrine,I have no interest in those who want to argue just for the sake of argument.)
So--anyone else out there that LIKES Joyce Meyer and has been blessed by her ministry? Any favorites among her books & messages?
Sis rev I caught the point  , and I know you want others to catch the point that your not caring about negativity from people and dont care about arguing with them about Joyce Meyer- I guess Ill just be your interpreter of this post. LOL
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 8:48:33 AM
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Just happened to see this thread about Joyce Meyer. Since it is 20+ pages long I have, needless to say, not read what the popular opinion of her is on this website....and really I have no interest in popular opinion on most issues. With this said, Joyce Meyers' books have blessed me in so many ways. I do not remember ever reading anything that she has written that I would say was unbibical. I have read probably 8 books of hers and it was at a time when I was dealing with depression and other emotional issues. Battlefield of the Mind was the first book I read and perhaps, my favorite. I have given it to many people and recommended it to countless numbers. When I found that book in the bookstore, it seemed to literally "jump off the shelf," in that I feel the Lord led me to the book. I think she has been through some difficult times and has been gracious to share what she has learned. I thank God for the way He has used her.
Just wanted to put my two cents in!
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 10:57:18 AM
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I guess emotion, the feel-good quality, and friendliness wil always win out over solid bibical teaching for some people.
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I do not remember ever reading anything that she has written that I would say was unbibical.
I urge you to read this thread and study the scriptures with an unbiased eye. You will see that she is a false teacher.
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I just want to applaud you for showing humility. You are an examples to others on here, who got all the answers , who God has told about everybody else, and who claims " God have sent me expose everyone but myself on these forums"
I love your last statement, the fact she will have to answer to God and that we need to worry about the fact that we are not teaching false - Amen and Amen
We shouldn't worry?
Acts 17:10-11 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
I Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
I Timothy 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, [5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Now, perhaps you would care to comment on what this scripture means? She has no biblical authority to preach and what she does "preach" is twisted scripture and out-right lies. If you don't mind, please leave the cliches at the door and focus on scripture.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 11:36:34 AM
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I guess emotion, the feel-good quality, and friendliness wil always win out over solid bibical teaching for some people.
Emotion, feel-good quality, and friendliness are something that we could certainly stand to see more of in the body of believers. As far as "winning out" over solid bibical teaching.....I agree we need that as a priority, but I think it should not be at the expense of love.
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I do not remember ever reading anything that she has written that I would say was unbibical.
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I urge you to read this thread and study the scriptures with an unbiased eye. You will see that she is a false teacher.
Since you seem to have studied this subject, could you direct me to post numbers so that I might see what specific things you are referencing. I really don't have time to read 500+ posts. Thank you.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 11:40:54 AM
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Just happened to see this thread about Joyce Meyer. Since it is 20+ pages long I have, needless to say, not read what the popular opinion of her is on this website
You may want to reconsider reading through these posts. Many Bereans here have posted much more than "opinion". Quotes directly from Ms Meyer's mouth have been noted numerous times. There is even a testimony a few pages back of someone that was thankful that her spiritual eyes were opened to the false teaching of Joyce Meyer as a result of the discussions here. Praise God!
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I do not remember ever reading anything that she has written that I would say was unbibical.
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Since you seem to have studied this subject, could you direct me to post numbers so that I might see what specific things you are referencing. I really don't have time to read 500+ posts. Thank you.
From Joyce Meyer's 1991 booklet The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38).
- "You know, I was listening to a set of tapes by one man and he explained it like this, and I think this kind of gets the point across, he said, ‘Why do people have such a fit about God calling His creation, His man—not His whole creation, but His man—little gods? If He’s God, what’s He going to call them but the god-kind?’ I mean, if you as a human being have a baby, you call it a human kind. If cattle has another cattle, they call it cattle-kind. So, I mean, what’s God supposed to call us? Doesn’t the Bible say we’re created in his image? Now, you understand I am not saying you are God with a capital G."
(Joyce Meyer, "Authority and Opposition," Tape 1236. Article, "What Joyce Wants Joyce Gets")
- "Our words are containers of power. The power of life and death is in the tongue."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold?" TBN, May 24, 2004)
-"We can kill the plan of God for our lives with a negative confession."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
"Say this with me, 'I will not kill God's good plan for my life by speaking negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
Note: This is absurd to think that our words can kill a plan of an Almighty and Sovereign God. Think about it my friend, is this not the height of arrogance to think that our words can kill what God wants to do?
"I want us to think again for a minute in closing about this thing about making sure that we're not killing God's plan with negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
"If I speak death I'll eat death. If I speak life I'll eat life...I want you to say with me, 'I can destroy my life with my own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
"I believe that words are containers for power and they either carry negative or positive power. They carry creative or destructive power. So, if I'm speaking right things I'm going to have right results. And if I'm speaking wrong things I'm going to have wrong results. And we do pay for our words. If, if I can say it like this, we eat our own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")
"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)
"Did you know that you can change the very course of your life by the type of words you speak?"
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)
"My teaching this weekend as usual is not going to be doctrinally religious. It's going to be something that you can use in your everyday life."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 1 of 4 the "Mind")
"But you cannot throw out positive confession, and you cannot throw out all the faith teachers, and you cannot throw out positive thinking. And you cannot get rid of those kinds of things because they're in the Bible from one end of it to the other."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 6.
"The faith movement is right. You can't throw the faith movement out the window."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 14.)
"We need to have faith filled words going out of our mouth."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 14. Satan and Demons-Origin and Fall, side 2)
"Giving doesn't cost, it pays!"
(Joyce Meyer, Daystar Spring Share-A-Thon, March 2, 2004)
"You know that if you send these offerings into the ministry your gonna help us to keep reaching out to hurting people all over the world. What you make happen for somebody else God will make happen for you. Sow a seed and God will meet your need."
(Joyce Meyer, "Enjoying Everyday Life," June 24, 2004)
"Words are containers for power they carry creative or destructive power positive or negative power so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow.
(Joyce Meyer, audio-clip, "Bible Answer-man," Hank Hanegraaff, January, 2003)
"Poverty is probably one of the most unique spirits to watch. You can watch a spirit of poverty take over an entire neighborhood...And almost always with a poverty spirit, comes a spirit that just stinks. I mean, a poverty spirit just plain stinks. When I get people at the altar that got a poverty spirit on them they almost always have bad breath and body odor."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, page 6)
"You got a storage bin, a storage locker in heaven that has alot of stuff in it that needs to be claimed."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)
"We need to claim as much of that inheritance as we possibly can...One of the things you can do right now is speak positive things about your future right now."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)
"Sowing and reaping is a spiritual law...Sow generously and you will reap generously."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)
"Sowing and reaping is a law," Meyer told the Buffalo audience. "If you sow, you will reap. I believe stingy people are very unhappy people. I want you to give your best offering. I believe one person could write one check to cover all of the expenses of this one conference."
(Article on Joyce Meyer, 11/17/2003, St. Louis Post Dispatch)
"God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us," Meyer told a Detroit audience in September. "I should not have to work to try to support myself."
(Article on Joyce Meyer, 11/17/2003, St. Louis Post Dispatch)
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 12:18:58 PM
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 1:05:01 PM
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Battlefield of the Mind was the first book I read and perhaps, my favorite.
I like this one, too. I was recently in a situation where I realized I was just dwelling on what was wrong with my life, and was missing out on all of the good things that were going on. It's not that those negative things went away, but I needed to realize that they were a much smaller part of the picture than I was giving them credit for.
Some of my favorite messages of hers are the ones about the mouth. She shares about how she had such a problem with negativity, and realized that she needed to change the way she speaks. This is something I have to work on myself from time to time.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 3:24:19 PM
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Soxfan,
Read over your list and have to say that I bet any preacher or any person for that matter can be made to look false by taking bits and pieces out of context of the point trying to be made. Also, I certainly don't believe every newspaper clipping I read. Joyce Meyer is a teacher and a human as we all are. I think everyone learns as we go along. The way I feel about it is that her teaching has helped me. God is her judge, just as he is mine. His word tells us that those who believe in him will never be ashamed. So I'm resting in Him and His judgment.
If you want to read Battlefield of the Mind and then discuss what you believe is false I would be interested in your comments.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 3:28:05 PM
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Joyce Meyer is a teacher
She's a teacher alright...a false teacher!
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 4:03:19 PM
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Soxfan,
Read over your list and have to say that I bet any preacher or any person for that matter can be made to look false by taking bits and pieces out of context of the point trying to be made. Also, I certainly don't believe every newspaper clipping I read. Joyce Meyer is a teacher and a human as we all are. I think everyone learns as we go along. The way I feel about it is that her teaching has helped me. God is her judge, just as he is mine. His word tells us that those who believe in him will never be ashamed. So I'm resting in Him and His judgment.
If you want to read Battlefield of the Mind and then discuss what you believe is false I would be interested in your comments.
To say that "any preacher or any person for that matter can be made to look false by taking bits and pieces out of context " is true, but there have been over twenty pages now of quotes, with ample contextual evidence.
Here's a few reasons not to trust her preaching:
1. She has no biblical authority to preach
2. She teaches "positive utterance" which is contrary to scripture
3. She teaches that Jesus had to go to Hell and be tormented by Satan because the work of the cross was not complete
4. She teaches Word of Faith doctrines such as "seed sowing" and that your faith is porportional to your wealth, which is also not scriptural
So, why would you continue to follow someone who clearly teaches heresy?
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 4:09:43 PM
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Soxfan,
Read over your list and have to say that I bet any preacher or any person for that matter can be made to look false by taking bits and pieces out of context of the point trying to be made. Also, I certainly don't believe every newspaper clipping I read. Joyce Meyer is a teacher and a human as we all are. I think everyone learns as we go along. The way I feel about it is that her teaching has helped me. God is her judge, just as he is mine. His word tells us that those who believe in him will never be ashamed. So I'm resting in Him and His judgment.
If you want to read Battlefield of the Mind and then discuss what you believe is false I would be interested in your comments.
I don't think this qualifies as "bits and pieces". I have another word for teaching a "born again in hell" Jesus. I'm sure people can figure it out!
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38).
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 4:50:13 PM
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Emotion, feel-good quality, and friendliness are something that we could certainly stand to see more of in the body of believers. As far as "winning out" over solid bibical teaching.....I agree we need that as a priority, but I think it should not be at the expense of love.
The UUers can show emotion, have a feel-good equality 'cause all religions point to God, and can be very friendly. But they are deluded and are bound for hell. We are called to preach the truth in love and, sometimes, the truth hurts.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 7:31:19 PM
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Emotion, feel-good quality, and friendliness are something that we could certainly stand to see more of in the body of believers. As far as "winning out" over solid bibical teaching.....I agree we need that as a priority, but I think it should not be at the expense of love.
The UUers can show emotion, have a feel-good equality 'cause all religions point to God, and can be very friendly. But they are deluded and are bound for hell. We are called to preach the truth in love and, sometimes, the truth hurts.
I also like Joyce Meyer. I have also been helped tremendously by her books and teaching. I really don't care if others think she is a false teacher or not, because imo, if she was, God would have removed her from her position by now, and what she has taught through scripture and teaching me wouldn't have changed me. There is much talk about her 'feel good message'. So, does that mean I should walk around depressed all the time, beating myself up, talking about what a hell deserving sinner I am? That would be trampling all over the blood of Jesus IMO. If God wanted us to feel bad about ourselves, He wouldn't have sent Jesus at all. There is no 'joy in the Lord' in berating myself. I did that for years before I came to Christ, and I think it would be insulting to God for His children to walk around all depressed and despondant talking about how bad our life is. What kind of witness would that be??
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 8:41:43 PM
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lw9
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Hi ilj1971. Just a few thoughts:
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ilj1971: I really don't care if others think she is a false teacher or not, because imo, if she was, God would have removed her from her position by now....
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but it's nowhere to be found in the Bible. We are clearly told that false teachers will come and will remain as long as they are tolerated. That's why we are told NOT to tolerate them. As long as there are people supporting false teachers, they will continue to preach and to flourish! God allows us to make choices, but we will have to live with the consequences of our choices. If thousands of people choose to listen to the Joyce Meyers and Benny Hinns of this world rather than to God... then that is exactly what they'll get: lies and deceptions instead of the truth.
2 Pet 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
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...and what she has taught through scripture and teaching me wouldn't have changed me
People are also changed through Wicca, Buddhism, and Islam. How does 'changing' justify false teachings?
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If God wanted us to feel bad about ourselves, He wouldn't have sent Jesus at all. There is no 'joy in the Lord' in berating myself. I did that for years before I came to Christ, and I think it would be insulting to God for His children to walk around all depressed and despondant talking about how bad our life is. What kind of witness would that be??
1. Can you please reference the posts where anyone here has said that we need to be depressed and despondant, and talk about how bad our life is? I'm just wondering where you have read this.
2. Our sins were the reason Jesus Christ suffered and died on the cross. He did not suffer and shed His blood to make us feel good about ourselves, and He did not bring the 'gospel of self-esteem'. We have true joy only because we have Jesus Christ, not because we have self-esteem. If our esteem and faith is in Jesus Christ, everything else in our lives falls into proper perspective and place, including how we feel about ourselves.
2. If we understand our sinfulness, we will also understand our need for repentance. This is completely different from depression and despondancy. Sin is a fact of our lives, period, and this fact takes nothing away from the utter joy we have in Christ at the same time. I know that I am a sinner, and I rejoice in the salvation and truth of Jesus Christ.
< Message edited by lw9 -- 10/26/2006 9:05:20 PM >
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 9:10:48 PM
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colliefan
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There is much talk about her 'feel good message'. So, does that mean I should walk around depressed all the time, beating myself up, talking about what a hell deserving sinner I am? That would be trampling all over the blood of Jesus IMO. If God wanted us to feel bad about ourselves, He wouldn't have sent Jesus at all. There is no 'joy in the Lord' in berating myself. I did that for years before I came to Christ, and I think it would be insulting to God for His children to walk around all depressed and despondant talking about how bad our life is. What kind of witness would that be??
We ARE sinners who are deserving of hell. The ONLY reason we escape that fate is through the atoning death of our Savior. God sent Christ not so we can feel good about ourselves but through his death we can have eternal life and spend it relflecting God's glory.
True joy comes in living life through all of its seasons, the good, bad, and the ugly. One can be down but not in despair. One can be in plenty but take the excess in stride. Our witness is not about us but the goodness of God as there is no season of turning in Him.
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RE: joyce meyer - 10/26/2006 9:14:20 PM
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ilj1971
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ilj1971: I really don't care if others think she is a false teacher or not, because imo, if she was, God would have removed her from her position by now, and what she has taught through scripture and teaching me wouldn't have changed me.
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but it's nowhere to be found in the Bible. We are clearly told that false teachers will come and will remain as long as they are tolerated. That's why we are told NOT to tolerate them. As long as there are people supporting false teachers, they will continue to preach and to flourish! God allows us to make choices, but we will have to live with the consequences of our choices. If thousands of people choose to listen to the Joyce Meyers and Benny Hinns of this world rather than to God... then that is exactly what they'll get: lies and deceptions instead of the truth.
2 Pet 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.
1 Tim 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
Again, you are saying she's a false teacher, and if thats what you believe thats fine, but those who listen to anyone else for thier teaching better be careful also. Every single person, no matter who they are, has misspoke, or taught something wrongly at one time or another. Anyone who thinks they are right 100% of the time, imo, is arrogant. So shall we label those who have ever misspoken or mistaught, whehter intentional or unintentional, liars and false teachers?
Also your scripture of 2Peter2:1- part of it says false teachers will bring swift destruction on themselves. JM has been around for quite awhile. So what's your definition of swift?
You know, I don't mean to be/sound rude, but it bothers me when so many people feel they are 100% right all the time. What makes you so 100% sure your right? Becasue thats how you interpret the Bible, or what you've been taught?
Edited because we posted at the same time.
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None of us are always 100% right, none of us are always 100% wrong. Last time I checked, none of us are infalliable.
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