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RE: joyce meyer - 7/28/2007 12:29:01 PM
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just talking about the next experience I had later of
Experiences must be filtered through the lens of scripture.
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Words create knowledge which forces a decision to believe/accept or not, then receive or not.
Words are neutral..it the the information they convey and how the mind processes that information that leads to transformation.
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I know her to be meticulous about having scripture points in her teachings - as a teacher she is led by the Spirit and expounds on the Word, not going against it or twisting it. Afterall, that is what all sermons/teachings are by anyone who preaches.
Remember the devil can also quote Scripture. She also says that Christ's death on the cross was not sufficent payment for our sins. That he had to go to hell to" whip-up" on Satan.
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But, here is just one Bible Study I did in completing a 2 year Bible School and in my own personal study of the Word. I don't present this to offend anyone, just showing you my understanding of the Word in one area Soxfan listed so often in the list of problems with Joyce Meyer attacking her teachings/faith - the area saying that our words are containers or that they have power... and I thank the Lord Jesus they do - whether you choose to speak the truth, God's Word, or the lies of the devil - is up to you, but you will affect change in your life either way .
Classic WOF mismash. Our words have no power in themselves. What has power is the HS working in our lives.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/28/2007 7:20:58 PM
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And that is classic Word of Faith, the core if I may... they teach the New Age lie that faith is a force and that words are the containers of this force. WoF'ers have faith in their faith.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/28/2007 9:07:00 PM
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I don't know why but most of the time I hear to Joyce Meyer, she tends to be right on! And I am not a WOF proponent at all.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/28/2007 9:27:04 PM
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I don't know why but most of the time I hear to Joyce Meyer, she tends to be right on! And I am not a WOF proponent at all.
I am guessing one reason she apeals to women is her message "of you need to stop being a victim." This is good. However, her views on prosperity and salvation are heretical.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/29/2007 11:14:41 PM
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Colliefan
All of my experiences in Christ have been spiritual. My filter is the Word just as you say yours is. Again, I would like to not continue being questioned in my faith just for disagreeing with people here.
To all those that are against faith...
I got saved after speaking WORDS, scripture, truth - God heard me and I was saved. If I am understanding your problem with words (by the way you didn't respond to any scriptures I mentioned...) then I guess we should stop praying - stop encouraging others - stop telling our children they are loved and special - stop all communication! Words are the tools God gave us to speak to Him and others - not "new age" NO ONE in the word of Faith movement - or any Christians I mentioned - believe your words have power outside of the Holy Spirit!
Of course words are important as God created us to believe - so if say an unbeliever spends all day hearing from their spouse or parent, you are worthless, you are ugly, you are... those words will have an affect of some kind. That is not new age to state the truth.
The list and situations can go on and on - I mentioned lots of scripture references also - again no comments on those from anyone...
I got saved after a Joyce Meyer tape and then the Holy Spirit led a husband of a friend of mine to tell me that "Jesus loved ME" - wow, what an awesome, anointed WORD - as always when the Holy Spirit speaks, it was anointed and right on time and life-changing - a simple phrase that people say everyday without thinking, yet it was the exact confirmation I needed after hearing the Word from Joyce Meyer to BELIEVE. I thank God for his Word and the power of faith in them!
Colliefan-
As far as your response to me saying the devil know scripture to my saying of Joyce Meyer
"I know her to be meticulous about having scripture points in her teachings - as a teacher she is led by the Spirit and expounds on the Word, not going against it or twisting it. Afterall, that is what all sermons/teachings are by anyone who preaches."
I know the devil quotes/knows scripture, the Bible warns us that he is an accuser and a liar and will twist the truth to steal, kill and destroy - NEVER heard of the devil quoting scripture to get someone saved, delivered and living a life on fire for the Lord Jesus Christ - of course the devil wouldnt mind me being new age or in some other false religion that doesn't believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior, thankfully that is not what Joyce Meyer or any "word of faith" people preach!
I know the devil HATES my being saved in Jesus Name and even more hates me living a victorious life, enjoying everday as Joyce would say!
Everything Joyce Meyer says IS right on because it is based on the Word.
As I said in my original post I dont post to change your minds but I hope you will pray about the scriputural study I listed and listen with open hearts to other Christians who preach the Word of God and see people saved, healed, delivered in Jesus' Name- they are what the Word is all about.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 12:20:08 AM
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Everything Joyce Meyer says IS right on because it is based on the Word.
I'm not from Missouri, but show me!
Please go through this thread and show me that those who have quoted her teachings, compared them to God's Word and found her to be in error are wrong.
If you believe Joyce Meyer is "right on because her teachings are based on the Word of God"...prove it...show me!
It may take you some time because this is a large thread, but please, be the one and only person (who has come to defend the false teachers in this folder) to lay it out there.
I want to see it...show me!
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 7:03:25 AM
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I'll even help you with a starting point, Jesusloveneverfails. Please begin by showing how, according to the Bible, these Joyce Meyer teachings are "right on." Thank you.
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From Joyce Meyer's 1991 booklet The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35, underlining in the original).
“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).
“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).
“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).
“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).
Meyer teaches the classic “Born-Again Jesus” gospel that has been taught by Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Fred Price, John Jacobs, Charles Capps, Benny Hinn and Jan Crouch, to name a few. It’s usually presented under the guise of “revelation knowledge,” given by the Holy Spirit and grounded in Scripture. However, this gospel does not stand up under biblical scrutiny.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 8:12:20 AM
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Those that come in here and say they support Joyce Meyer's teachings ought to do themselves a favor and stop ignoring the slew of quotes that soxfan and others have presented.
That would be more beneficial than being a blind cheerleader.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 9:53:02 AM
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Those that come in here and say they support Joyce Meyer's teachings ought to do themselves a favor and stop ignoring the slew of quotes that soxfan and others have presented.
That would be more beneficial than being a blind cheerleader.
earthless....check out the quote in my sig.
I don't know when Spurgeon said it, but it couldn't be more applicable than it is today.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 10:07:26 AM
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In this quote, she is denying the deity of Jesus Christ:
"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)
Strange, I thought Scripture said that He prayed to his father constantly.
This one needs NO explanation:
"God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us," Meyer told a Detroit audience in September. "I should not have to work to try to support myself."
(Article on Joyce Meyer, 11/17/2003, St. Louis Post Dispatch)
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 10:17:16 AM
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I don't recall Jesus and the Disciples needing all this to "get their message out"
Just so you know that her "ministry" (translated: money extorted from naive followers) paid for all this:
- French clock in the ministry's Fenton headquarters...$11,000
- Crownline boat docked behind her vacation home at Lake of the Ozarks...$105,000
- Pair of Dresden vases...$19,000
- Six French crystal vases...$18,500
- Dresden porcelain depicting the Nativity...$8,000
- Two curio cabinets...$12,000
- Porcelain of the Crucifixion...$5,700
- Pair of German porcelain vases...$5,200
- Malachite round table...$30,000
- Marble-topped antique commode...$23,000
- Custom office bookcase...$14,000
- Stations of the Cross in Dresden porcelain...$7,000
- Eagle sculpture on a pedestal...$6,300
- Another eagle made of silver...$5,000
- Numerous paintings...$1,000 to $4,000 each
- Conference table and 18 chairs...$49,000
- Woodwork in the offices of Meyer and her husband...$44,000
- Bathroom addition...$10,000
- 2005 Lexus SC sports car with a retractable top for Ms Meyer...$53,000
- 2004 Lexus sedan for her son Dan, 25...$46,000
- Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG for Meyer's husband...$107,000
- Canadair CL-600 Challenger jet corporate jet...$10 MILLION
- Her home...$2 million
- Houses for her four children...$2 million
- Lakefront home on Lake of the Ozarks...$500,000
.....- Distorting the Word of God and fleecing the flock for PROFIT......
...............................................................................................PRICELESS!!
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 11:41:24 AM
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But... but... she is so ANOINTED!!1!1!
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 12:28:44 PM
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You know, I listened to her this morning and really, she is more like a female Dr. Phil than a Bible teacher. Unlike Dr. Phil, she throws a few verses in here and there, though most are taken out of context; but she pretty much does what he does....addresses a group of people who have issues, and calls them out for their poor choices that cause their lives to be in turmoil. He then offers practical, in-your-face advice to fix their messes.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 12:50:02 PM
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You know, I listened to her this morning and really, she is more like a female Dr. Phil than a Bible teacher. Unlike Dr. Phil, she throws a few verses in here and there, though most are taken out of context; but she pretty much does what he does....addresses a group of people who have issues, and calls them out for their poor choices that cause their lives to be in turmoil. He then offers practical, in-your-face advice to fix their messes.
When she gives that advice under the guise of a minister of God's Word, then it becomes a problem.
She can encourage, motivate, and advise all she wants. Just don't pervert God's Word while you're doing it.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 1:02:55 PM
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You know, I listened to her this morning and really, she is more like a female Dr. Phil than a Bible teacher. Unlike Dr. Phil, she throws a few verses in here and there, though most are taken out of context; but she pretty much does what he does....addresses a group of people who have issues, and calls them out for their poor choices that cause their lives to be in turmoil. He then offers practical, in-your-face advice to fix their messes.
When she gives that advice under the guise of a minister of God's Word, then it becomes a problem.
She can encourage, motivate, and advise all she wants. Just don't pervert God's Word while you're doing it.
Hey now, Soxie, I'm on your side, remember? I agree....I agree!!! 
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 2:15:50 PM
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To give her her due, she does preach Christ crucified as Paul admonishes, and does point lost souls to the cross as we all should do with dilligence.
You get much past that, all the wheels start wobblin'. Badly.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 2:53:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: Kat_D
You know, I listened to her this morning and really, she is more like a female Dr. Phil than a Bible teacher. Unlike Dr. Phil, she throws a few verses in here and there, though most are taken out of context; but she pretty much does what he does....addresses a group of people who have issues, and calls them out for their poor choices that cause their lives to be in turmoil. He then offers practical, in-your-face advice to fix their messes.
When she gives that advice under the guise of a minister of God's Word, then it becomes a problem.
She can encourage, motivate, and advise all she wants. Just don't pervert God's Word while you're doing it.
Hey now, Soxie, I'm on your side, remember? I agree....I agree!!!
I know, I know. It was meant for others 
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 2:54:55 PM
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To give her her due, she does preach Christ crucified as Paul admonishes, and does point lost souls to the cross as we all should do with dilligence.
You get much past that, all the wheels start wobblin'. Badly.
She also preaches a Christ that had to descend to hell, fight the devil, and become the first "born again" man.
That is HERESY in the highest order
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 3:06:40 PM
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This one needs NO explanation:
"God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us," Meyer told a Detroit audience in September. "I should not have to work to try to support myself."
(Article on Joyce Meyer, 11/17/2003, St. Louis Post Dispatch)
Look out! Tim-berr-rr-rr-rr!
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 3:38:56 PM
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To give her her due, she does preach Christ crucified as Paul admonishes, and does point lost souls to the cross as we all should do with dilligence.
You get much past that, all the wheels start wobblin'. Badly.
She also preaches a Christ that had to descend to hell, fight the devil, and become the first "born again" man.
That is HERESY in the highest order
Like I said--once she gets past the basics her wheels fall off.
BUT she does preach enough truth to point someone to the cross of Christ, and presents the crucified Christ as the one and only begotten Saviour of fallen man.
Therefore, I'll never say she's done nothing for the Kingdom.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 3:45:08 PM
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She also preaches a Christ that had to descend to hell, fight the devil
Does anyone know where this idea came from?
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 3:51:50 PM
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To give her her due, she does preach Christ crucified as Paul admonishes, and does point lost souls to the cross as we all should do with dilligence.
You get much past that, all the wheels start wobblin'. Badly.
She also preaches a Christ that had to descend to hell, fight the devil, and become the first "born again" man.
That is HERESY in the highest order
I have a question, Where is Hell located... If you tell me where hell located, I will tell you where she got it from.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 4:00:06 PM
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I have a question, Where is Hell located... If you tell me where hell located, I will tell you where she got it from.
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So you believe Jesus had to go to Hell to suffer for three days, was tortured and sexually assaulted by demons? That Jesus had to speak words of faith to become the first born again man and grapple keys out of Satan's hands?
Even if you said no to all of that - the simple biblical facts remains that:
a) Satan is not currently in Hell
b) Satan, when he is placed in Hell by God, will not be there as some king or ruler. He will be there like everyone else.
It is unbiblical to teach that Jesus did not atone for our sins on the cross.
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RE: joyce meyer - 7/30/2007 4:07:47 PM
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I have a question, Where is Hell located...
The Bible describes hell in great detail and also says exactly who it is that will go there, but does not say where it is located.
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