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truth=life -> RE: joyce meyer (5/11/2005 6:28:49 PM)

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Luke 9:49-50
49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.


Thank you, that is the scripture I was remembering. I am just not going to explore these tv evangelists anymore because I have watched and listened to many of them and I suppose I find what the Lord wants for me in them and anyone else who teaches in Jesus's name for that matter. These people are in the spotlight and that puts them in that position to really fall and be made public example and put to shame and make the Lord's work invalid in many unbeliever eyes...

I am just going to pray for them and quite frankly anyone who shares their witness with another, be it for material gain or not.

God Bless you.



notmycity -> RE: joyce meyer (5/11/2005 6:53:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truth=life

quote:

Luke 9:49-50
49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.


Thank you, that is the scripture I was remembering. I am just not going to explore these tv evangelists anymore because I have watched and listened to many of them and I suppose I find what the Lord wants for me in them and anyone else who teaches in Jesus's name for that matter. These people are in the spotlight and that puts them in that position to really fall and be made public example and put to shame and make the Lord's work invalid in many unbeliever eyes...

God Bless you.


Glad I could help.



Squarepeg -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 9:30:09 AM)

I love Joyce Meyer. I have almost every book she ever wrote. My childhood was similar to hers with abuse, etc. And I also think that wealth belongs to Christians, not sinners, so I have no problem with her being rich. I really get so much out of her teachings, her ministry has taught me how to dig into the Word and believe it, once and for all.



i_believe -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 12:14:37 PM)

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Meyer is fond of nice things and is willing to spend for them. From an $11,000 French clock in the ministry's Fenton headquarters to a $105,000 Crownline boat docked behind her vacation home at Lake of the Ozarks, it's clear her tastes run more to Perrier than to tap water.


"Be careful that you don't do your charitable giving before men"

Flip side

Be careful that you don't do your charitable "receiving" before men (by the worlds standards).

Mat 6:1-5 "Be careful that you don't do your charitable giving before men, to be seen by them, or else you have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. (2) Therefore when you do merciful deeds, don't sound a trumpet before yourself, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may get glory from men. Most certainly I tell you, they have received their reward. (3) But when you do merciful deeds, don't let your left hand know what your right hand does, (4) so that your merciful deeds may be in secret, then your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. (5) "When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.

On the other hand...

Phi 1:18 What does it matter? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed. I rejoice in this, yes, and will rejoice.



SmileyTish -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 12:42:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Squarepeg

I love Joyce Meyer. I have almost every book she ever wrote. My childhood was similar to hers with abuse, etc. And I also think that wealth belongs to Christians, not sinners, so I have no problem with her being rich. I really get so much out of her teachings, her ministry has taught me how to dig into the Word and believe it, once and for all.



Could you tell me where in the Bible that it says that all wealth belongs to Christian? I'm assuming you are talking about matierial wealth right?



Bro_Shane -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 3:51:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Squarepeg

I love Joyce Meyer. I have almost every book she ever wrote. My childhood was similar to hers with abuse, etc. And I also think that wealth belongs to Christians, not sinners, so I have no problem with her being rich. I really get so much out of her teachings, her ministry has taught me how to dig into the Word and believe it, once and for all.


This is one of the saddest statements I have seen in a long time. SO you think wealth belongs to Christians? Explain this:

Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Matthew 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [20] But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: [21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

If wealth belongs to Chirstians and not sinners, then why is there not one instance of Christ telling us so? Why is there not one teaching of this in the epistles? Why are we warned, repeatedly, about greediness and the love of money?

Joyce Meyer is a heretic. If you are smart you will burn those books, pick up your Bible and let the Holy Spirit lead you to truth - His truth - and not one "revealed" by a woman who dresses like a Las Vegas call girl.



christiancapitalist -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 5:07:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stateofgrace

Look...I don't have any problem with people in ministry being compensated (income) at a professional level. But there is a difference between that and the outlandish lifestyle adopted by some TV preachers.

I have relatives that live near where Jim and Tammy Baker used to live during the height of the PTL days. Was there any reason on earth why those people needed, as an example, gold faucets on all their fixtures?

The fact that Joyce Meyer and her ministry won't make financial statements available is very, very troubling.


please get your facts straight. the fawcets were brass, not gold. jim talk's about it in his book "i was wrong".



dianetavegia -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 5:52:21 PM)

http://www.pfo.org/wan-star.htm

http://www.ontruth.com/joycemeyer.html

http://www.pfo.org/preacher.htm

I have no use for her teachings.



is5512 -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 6:20:11 PM)

It is certainly true that the love of money is idolatry; Joyce and those like her continually warn of that. But nowhere does it say that those who follow Christ are expected to live in poverty.

Galations 3:29 points out that we are heirs to the promises of Abraham. Judas would have had very little work to do as the treasurer of a group that had no funds. Psalm 35:27 points out that not only does the Lord take pleasure in the prosperity of His servants, He is glorified through it.

Joyce's teaching is based on the (Biblical) assumption that since God desires to bless each of us, there is no need for greed or envy among us. So someone else gets blessed by God? Terrific! Give 'em double! My God shall supply all my needs, too, so what's the fuss?



salos -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 7:48:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: P31

Here is a picture of her family compound.
http://graphics.stltoday.com/infographics/joycemeyer/joycemeyer4.html


Amazing.

Sox Fan, thanks for the quotes. That covers the territory, doesn't it?

Diane, thanks for the links. The first one was especially interesting to me.

I only heard her speak one time, and all she said was, "double." I think the idea is that God wants to bless people, but all she said (about 5,000 times) was "double." What a waste of opportunity! Ahhh... I would get off topic if I started listing all the fabulous bible teachings that someone could share.



sab60 -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 7:55:48 PM)

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Galations 3:29 points out that we are heirs to the promises of Abraham. Judas would have had very little work to do as the treasurer of a group that had no funds. Psalm 35:27 points out that not only does the Lord take pleasure in the prosperity of His servants, He is glorified through it.


Hmmm. That's odd that Jesus Himself was not prosperous. Neither were his disciples who I believe all but one were killed for their faith. Paul was beaten and shipwrecked, and jailed, etc... (I quess we are entitled to more than Paul). Jesus didn't even have his own tomb - it was donated to him. I don't recall many followers in the New Testament being prosperous, or being promised prosperity. Actually, were not believers promised suffering? I don't believe that the Lord takes even one bit of pleasure in our prosperity. I think He couldn't care less. What the Lord does take pleasure is in our obiedience to and our love for Him. Period.

The prosperity gospel is preached only by those who want to be prosperous.



Bro_Shane -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 8:01:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sab60

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Galations 3:29 points out that we are heirs to the promises of Abraham. Judas would have had very little work to do as the treasurer of a group that had no funds. Psalm 35:27 points out that not only does the Lord take pleasure in the prosperity of His servants, He is glorified through it.


Hmmm. That's odd that Jesus Himself was not prosperous. Neither were his disciples who I believe all but one were killed for their faith. Paul was beaten and shipwrecked, and jailed, etc... (I quess we are entitled to more than Paul). Jesus didn't even have his own tomb - it was donated to him. I don't recall many followers in the New Testament being prosperous, or being promised prosperity. Actually, were not believers promised suffering? I don't believe that the Lord takes even one bit of pleasure in our prosperity. I think He couldn't care less. What the Lord does take pleasure is in our obiedience to and our love for Him. Period.

The prosperity gospel is preached only by those who want to be prosperous.



And to that I will give a good, old fashioned "Amen!"



Bro_Shane -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 8:20:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: is5512

It is certainly true that the love of money is idolatry; Joyce and those like her continually warn of that. But nowhere does it say that those who follow Christ are expected to live in poverty.

Galations 3:29 points out that we are heirs to the promises of Abraham. Judas would have had very little work to do as the treasurer of a group that had no funds. Psalm 35:27 points out that not only does the Lord take pleasure in the prosperity of His servants, He is glorified through it.

Joyce's teaching is based on the (Biblical) assumption that since God desires to bless each of us, there is no need for greed or envy among us. So someone else gets blessed by God? Terrific! Give 'em double! My God shall supply all my needs, too, so what's the fuss?


First, I find it astonishing that Meyers would have the gall, the unmitigated gall, to try and tell other people about the love of money. The author of Hebrews was very wise through the Spirit when he wrote:

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Here, we are told to follow those teachers/preachers over us while taking into account how they act. If someone tells me the love of money is idolatry, yet they live like a king, well, I'll just have to say something is amiss here.

Now, you quoted scripture. Let's see what it says in context.

Galatians 3:22-29 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. [23] But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ahhh...we can see this is not talking about proserity at all - it's actually talking about the law and grace as it concerns our salvation. So, what promise is being talked abouit here? Perhaps that is where prosperity comes in. Let's go back a few verses and see:

Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Nope, it's not there either. The promise was that "In thee shall all nations be blessed." So, you have used this scripture completely out of context. It has nothing to do with prosperity at all. Interesting. I will be glad to do the same for the Psalm you quoted, but for brevity's sake I will stop here. I think we all get the idea.

Third, you state that Joyce's teaching is based on a biblical assumption that God wants to bless us. This is half true. God does want to bless us, but it has nothing to do with the prosperity gospel. I would like some scripture, in context, to back this up as I have never come across any such thing in my study of the word.

Meyers is a heretic that loves twisting scripture to suit her own ends. Her teaching is false. Scripture, when read correctly and in context, points this out plainly.



write2witness -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 9:13:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mixster
Besides women are not supposed to be in that position according to the Word!!!!


Exactly, mixster. Amen to that.

As a handicapped person with limited lifestyle I can't possibly stand beside someone who makes a lot of money off the Word and then does not share it with those in need. While I'm all for supporting a minister of God's Word (a man, that is) the Word also teaches us to give to those in need. The first church, overseen by Peter, did this. The whole village sold what they had and gave to the poor so that there was no one in need.

I am in no position to talk of this, but when it comes to the "body" of Christ we all benenfit from what each of us gives. If you make a lot then give liberally. Otherwise your behavior reflects badly on God.

- w2w



mom2jules -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 10:36:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rapturefish

She is a christian. She is a woman who came from a terrible legacy of losers and God transformed her life and the life of others. She has a ministry that is changing lives around the world and she is involved in all sorts of ministries that help abused women, countries in need and prison ministries.

I see no good reason for saying a person cannot live well when their ministry is doing well. If a person can be rich in any other profession, then why not this one? It makes no sense that a highly successful ministry means she should live on meagre wages just to look like someone of "integrity". Integrity doesn't mean living on scraps while the congregation of the world gets rich off her ministry. Integrity is doing right by God at all times and it doesn't come with a requirement of socioeconomic status.

She is a woman who says it like it is and respects the word and the Spirit in the life of christians. Amen to all the fruit that is coming out of that.


You said everything i would have said. She has helped me in so many ways learn about Gods love. I watch her when I can which is quite often. I love her sense of humor and i can relate to her times of depression and anger and ..."what about me" I still do that but am trying very hard not to. Thanks for your post



mom2jules -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 10:49:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: relady

I have in the past found a lot good in what and how she teaches. However, I have stopped supporting her ministry because I don't support anyone who won't make the company financial records available. She's no longer an "open book", has built a huge compound that she & her family live in, and is living a rather extravagant lifestyle pretty much on the ministry's dollar. I don't like that and don't support it.


If you go on her web site she does have a financial accountability on there itemized



mom2jules -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 10:54:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane

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ORIGINAL: Squarepeg

I love Joyce Meyer. I have almost every book she ever wrote. My childhood was similar to hers with abuse, etc. And I also think that wealth belongs to Christians, not sinners, so I have no problem with her being rich. I really get so much out of her teachings, her ministry has taught me how to dig into the Word and believe it, once and for all.


This is one of the saddest statements I have seen in a long time. SO you think wealth belongs to Christians? Explain this:

Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Matthew 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [20] But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: [21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

If wealth belongs to Chirstians and not sinners, then why is there not one instance of Christ telling us so? Why is there not one teaching of this in the epistles? Why are we warned, repeatedly, about greediness and the love of money?

Joyce Meyer is a heretic. If you are smart you will burn those books, pick up your Bible and let the Holy Spirit lead you to truth - His truth - and not one "revealed" by a woman who dresses like a Las Vegas call girl.


There seems to be a lot of jealousy about her having money...this is absurd she is preaching Gods word. Is it wrng that Donald Trump is a millionaire. he worked for it but Joyce Meyer not only worked her way up she is preaching to millions about God. Teher have been so many posts about her house and car and what not. She deserves them just like anyone else. Joyce has brough people to God .. good for her. I do not have money but i do not begrudge her one cent .



dianetavegia -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 10:54:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan

"Joyce Meyer says God has made her rich. Everything she has came from Him: the $10 million corporate jet, her husband's $107,000 silver-gray Mercedes sedan, her $2 million home and houses worth another $2 million for her four children — all blessings, she says, straight from the hand of God..."If you stay in your faith, you are going to get paid," Meyer told an audience in Detroit in September. "I'm living now in my reward."

Meyer is fond of nice things and is willing to spend for them. From an $11,000 French clock in the ministry's Fenton headquarters to a $105,000 Crownline boat docked behind her vacation home at Lake of the Ozarks, it's clear her tastes run more to Perrier than to tap water.

The building is decorated with religious paintings and sculptures, and quality furniture. Much of it, Meyer says, she selected herself.

A Jefferson County assessor's list offers a glimpse into the value of many of the items: a $19,000 pair of Dresden vases, six French crystal vases bought for $18,500, an $8,000 Dresden porcelain depicting the Nativity, two $5,800 curio cabinets, a $5,700 porcelain of the Crucifixion, a pair of German porcelain vases bought for $5,200.

The decor includes a $30,000 malachite round table, a $23,000 marble-topped antique commode, a $14,000 custom office bookcase, a $7,000 Stations of the Cross in Dresden porcelain, a $6,300 eagle sculpture on a pedestal, another eagle made of silver bought for $5,000, and numerous paintings purchased for $1,000 to $4,000 each.
Inside Meyer's private office suite sit a conference table and 18 chairs bought for $49,000. The woodwork in the offices of Meyer and her husband cost the ministry $44,000.

Meyer drives the ministry's 2002 Lexus SC sports car with a retractable top, valued at $53,000. Her son Dan, 25, drives the ministry's 2001 Lexus sedan, with a value of $46,000. Meyer's husband drives his Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan.

"My husband just likes cars," Meyer said. The Meyers keep the ministry's Canadair CL-600 Challenger jet, which Joyce Meyer says is worth $10 million, at Spirit of St. Louis Airport in Chesterfield. The ministry employs two full-time pilots to fly the Meyers to conferences around the world.

Security is important to Meyer, who says she has received death threats. She has a division of the ministry dedicated to her safety. Her officers wear pistols; they guard the headquarters' front gate, keeping out anyone but employees and invited guests.

The ministry bought a $145,000 house where the security chief lives rent-free to keep him close to the ministry's headquarters.

Since 1999, the ministry has spent at least $4 million on five homes for Meyer and her four children near Interstate 270 and Gravois Road, St. Louis County records show.

Meyer's house, the largest of the five, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom."


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I also saw the link to the pictures! Good Grief!

Ecclesiastes 6:9 Better is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of desire; this also is vanity and a chasing after the wind.



mom2jules -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 10:57:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: is5512

It is certainly true that the love of money is idolatry; Joyce and those like her continually warn of that. But nowhere does it say that those who follow Christ are expected to live in poverty.

Galations 3:29 points out that we are heirs to the promises of Abraham. Judas would have had very little work to do as the treasurer of a group that had no funds. Psalm 35:27 points out that not only does the Lord take pleasure in the prosperity of His servants, He is glorified through it.

Joyce's teaching is based on the (Biblical) assumption that since God desires to bless each of us, there is no need for greed or envy among us. So someone else gets blessed by God? Terrific! Give 'em double! My God shall supply all my needs, too, so what's the fuss?



AMEN



mom2jules -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 11:03:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: write2witness

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ORIGINAL: mixster
Besides women are not supposed to be in that position according to the Word!!!!


Exactly, mixster. Amen to that.

As a handicapped person with limited lifestyle I can't possibly stand beside someone who makes a lot of money off the Word and then does not share it with those in need. While I'm all for supporting a minister of God's Word (a man, that is) the Word also teaches us to give to those in need. The first church, overseen by Peter, did this. The whole village sold what they had and gave to the poor so that there was no one in need.

I am in no position to talk of this, but when it comes to the "body" of Christ we all benenfit from what each of us gives. If you make a lot then give liberally. Otherwise your behavior reflects badly on God.

- w2w


You have got to be joking!!!! Since when isn't a woman good enough to preach Gods word?? This is 2005 people!!! I am so surprised that more women did not respond to this chauvinistic thinking yet. I would love to say more to you both but i would be kicked out of this forum becasue I am so angry at what i just read. [:'(]



Bro_Shane -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 11:28:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

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ORIGINAL: write2witness

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ORIGINAL: mixster
Besides women are not supposed to be in that position according to the Word!!!!


Exactly, mixster. Amen to that.

As a handicapped person with limited lifestyle I can't possibly stand beside someone who makes a lot of money off the Word and then does not share it with those in need. While I'm all for supporting a minister of God's Word (a man, that is) the Word also teaches us to give to those in need. The first church, overseen by Peter, did this. The whole village sold what they had and gave to the poor so that there was no one in need.

I am in no position to talk of this, but when it comes to the "body" of Christ we all benenfit from what each of us gives. If you make a lot then give liberally. Otherwise your behavior reflects badly on God.

- w2w


You have got to be joking!!!! Since when isn't a woman good enough to preach Gods word?? This is 2005 people!!! I am so surprised that more women did not respond to this chauvinistic thinking yet. I would love to say more to you both but i would be kicked out of this forum becasue I am so angry at what i just read. [:'(]


Whether the year is 2005, 500, or 2500, God's word does not change. Whether you are angry at it does notchange it. If you find it chauvanistic, then take it up with God because He made the rules (when you create the universe you get to do that, you know).

It has nothing to do with a woman being "good enough" to preach God's word, it has to do with how God has said things should be done. If you would like the verses backing this up I will be glad to give them to you. Now I would like to respond to your comment on my post:

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There seems to be a lot of jealousy about her having money...this is absurd she is preaching Gods word. Is it wrng that Donald Trump is a millionaire. he worked for it but Joyce Meyer not only worked her way up she is preaching to millions about God. Teher have been so many posts about her house and car and what not. She deserves them just like anyone else. Joyce has brough people to God .. good for her. I do not have money but i do not begrudge her one cent .


Please show me where I said anything that shows I am jealous over anything Joyce Meyers has. What I did was question the foundation of the prosperity gospel. It is not in scripture, it does not exist. The only way it can be made to look as if it is there is by taking scripture out of context and twisting it. When you read scripture in context of where it appears you will find this. This is exactly what I did with the scripture from Galatians. I showed it had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Whether Donald Trump deserves to be rich or not has no bearing on the current discussion.

She is preaching (which she shouldn't be), but it is not God's word. Is is a facsimile of God's word that denies the very truths found in scripture. If she were as "annointed" a preacher as others make her out to be she would publicly acknowledge her error, issue a public apology, remove herself from the entire WOF movement, and pray that God would move her to a church where she could be used according to His will.

And, no, I do not hate her. I feel sorry for her the same as I do for anyone who is caught up in error and missing the joy and peace that the Lord has for them. I am also not jealous of her. I have the church the Lord means for me to pastor and I am rich beyond anything I deserve - I have eternal life, a Godly wife, a lovely daughter, and a congregation that loves me dearly.

Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [20] But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: [21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.



mom2jules -> RE: joyce meyer (12/10/2005 11:49:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

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ORIGINAL: write2witness

quote:

ORIGINAL: mixster
Besides women are not supposed to be in that position according to the Word!!!!


Exactly, mixster. Amen to that.

As a handicapped person with limited lifestyle I can't possibly stand beside someone who makes a lot of money off the Word and then does not share it with those in need. While I'm all for supporting a minister of God's Word (a man, that is) the Word also teaches us to give to those in need. The first church, overseen by Peter, did this. The whole village sold what they had and gave to the poor so that there was no one in need.

I am in no position to talk of this, but when it comes to the "body" of Christ we all benenfit from what each of us gives. If you make a lot then give liberally. Otherwise your behavior reflects badly on God.

- w2w


You have got to be joking!!!! Since when isn't a woman good enough to preach Gods word?? This is 2005 people!!! I am so surprised that more women did not respond to this chauvinistic thinking yet. I would love to say more to you both but i would be kicked out of this forum becasue I am so angry at what i just read. [:'(]


Whether the year is 2005, 500, or 2500, God's word does not change. Whether you are angry at it does notchange it. If you find it chauvanistic, then take it up with God because He made the rules (when you create the universe you get to do that, you know).

It has nothing to do with a woman being "good enough" to preach God's word, it has to do with how God has said things should be done. If you would like the verses backing this up I will be glad to give them to you. Now I would like to respond to your comment on my post:

quote:

There seems to be a lot of jealousy about her having money...this is absurd she is preaching Gods word. Is it wrng that Donald Trump is a millionaire. he worked for it but Joyce Meyer not only worked her way up she is preaching to millions about God. Teher have been so many posts about her house and car and what not. She deserves them just like anyone else. Joyce has brough people to God .. good for her. I do not have money but i do not begrudge her one cent .


Please show me where I said anything that shows I am jealous over anything Joyce Meyers has. What I did was question the foundation of the prosperity gospel. It is not in scripture, it does not exist. The only way it can be made to look as if it is there is by taking scripture out of context and twisting it. When you read scripture in context of where it appears you will find this. This is exactly what I did with the scripture from Galatians. I showed it had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Whether Donald Trump deserves to be rich or not has no bearing on the current discussion.

She is preaching (which she shouldn't be), but it is not God's word. Is is a facsimile of God's word that denies the very truths found in scripture. If she were as "annointed" a preacher as others make her out to be she would publicly acknowledge her error, issue a public apology, remove herself from the entire WOF movement, and pray that God would move her to a church where she could be used according to His will.

And, no, I do not hate her. I feel sorry for her the same as I do for anyone who is caught up in error and missing the joy and peace that the Lord has for them. I am also not jealous of her. I have the church the Lord means for me to pastor and I am rich beyond anything I deserve - I have eternal life, a Godly wife, a lovely daughter, and a congregation that loves me dearly.

Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [20] But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: [21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.


I never said YOU were jealous of her...so many people are bringing up the fact that she has made money through preaching. Like i said before any woman is good enough to preach the word of God. But again we agree to disagree on that. Watching her has helped me in many ways become a better christian, and I am fairly new to this ( 2002) I read the bible now almost every day because of watching her show. I keep a journal becauseof her teaching. I try very hard to see the blessings God gave me because of her and believe me it i shard since my marriage is not great and I have depression. But I try every day to thank Him for what I do have . Its ok that we disagree. You have a blessed day tomorrow.



write2witness -> RE: joyce meyer (12/11/2005 12:41:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules
Like i said before any woman is good enough to preach the word of God. But again we agree to disagree on that. Watching her has helped me in many ways become a better christian, and I am fairly new to this ( 2002) I read the bible now almost every day because of watching her show. I keep a journal becauseof her teaching. I try very hard to see the blessings God gave me because of her and believe me it i shard since my marriage is not great and I have depression. But I try every day to thank Him for what I do have . Its ok that we disagree. You have a blessed day tomorrow.


Be a doer of the Word, not just a hearer (or for that fact, just a reader). The Word of God is clear on the spiritual order; God, man, then woman. There is a reason why only men were made to lead. Women have their own place. If you cannot accept this then you should take it up with God Himself.

And to say "we can agree to disagree" is a weak cop out. Either follow the Word of God or follow your own way.

- w2w



mikeman2 -> RE: joyce meyer (12/11/2005 1:49:50 AM)

Can anyone tell me how much money is too much money? I'm sure that christians living in third world countries picture me in much the same light that we look at Mrs Meyers. To be honost about it, I think I detect a great deal of envy on this thread. As far as rich men in the Bible we have such references as Abraham and Job. Were they not servants of God because of their wealth. When Jesus gave the parable about the sower sowing the seed he warned against the cares of this world choking the world and the deceitfulness of riches, however, he did not say this is a result of being rich in every circumstance. When Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven he later said whatsoever is impossible with man is possible with God. For me, it is a question of you having money or money having you. To be honost, I do not know much about the woman or her ministry so I am in no way trying to defend anyone here. I have enough trouble trying to defend my own mishaps.



is5512 -> RE: joyce meyer (12/11/2005 8:49:46 AM)

Nope. Not getting off this easy
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First, I find it astonishing that Meyers would have the gall, the unmitigated gall, to try and tell other people about the love of money. If someone tells me the love of money is idolatry, yet they live like a king, well, I'll just have to say something is amiss here.

It must be really annoying that anything written by Solomon is in the Bible. Or that it mentions anything about people who owned homes or had servants or fishing boats. Is there a limit we must be watching for? i.e. K-Mart clothes are o-k, but anything above that in price is not? There was even a reference in an earlier post about her dressing Las Vegas-style. Was that a way of inviting discussion on her morals?

Interesting that those so hating any mention of prosperity are those so envious of someone else's money.

Singling out only one part of the promise to Abraham is kinda like selecting which gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today, isn't it?

And, yes, we certainly have time to hear any explanation that the passage from Psalms means anything other than God is glorified and pleased when His servants prosper. And we would be particularly interested in why we should be blessed in every way except financially.

No book burning today, I guess.



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