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Bro_Shane -> RE: joyce meyer (12/11/2005 8:41:32 PM)
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Nope. Not getting off this easy
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First, I find it astonishing that Meyers would have the gall, the unmitigated gall, to try and tell other people about the love of money. If someone tells me the love of money is idolatry, yet they live like a king, well, I'll just have to say something is amiss here.
It must be really annoying that anything written by Solomon is in the Bible. Or that it mentions anything about people who owned homes or had servants or fishing boats. Is there a limit we must be watching for? i.e. K-Mart clothes are o-k, but anything above that in price is not? There was even a reference in an earlier post about her dressing Las Vegas-style. Was that a way of inviting discussion on her morals?
Interesting that those so hating any mention of prosperity are those so envious of someone else's money.
Singling out only one part of the promise to Abraham is kinda like selecting which gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today, isn't it?
And, yes, we certainly have time to hear any explanation that the passage from Psalms means anything other than God is glorified and pleased when His servants prosper. And we would be particularly interested in why we should be blessed in every way except financially.
No book burning today, I guess.
First, let me reply to your assumption that Solomon's writings give me trouble. They surely do not. In fact, after a careful reading of Ecclesiastes you will fing that wealth (and the search of it) was one of the things listed as vanity. After looking at the things man does this is what he concluded:
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Nope, nothing about financial prosperity there. Let's move on to the 35th Psalm.
If you read the entire pslam, and do not rely on ove verse, you will see this also has nothing to do with material wealth. It is a prayer of rescue from enemies, possibly written when David was being chased by Saul. There are repeated pleas against those that persecute David and bear false witness against him. Let's take a closer look at the verse you quoted:
Psalm 35:27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
The word tranlslated "prosperity" in English is shalowm, from the root shalam (to be at peace with). Shalowm means, primarily, completeness, soundness, welfare and peace. In fact, it is translated as "peace" over 170 times in the OT. It is only translted "prosperity" four times. In context of the 35th psalm the "prosperity" referred to is not financial, but peaceful. In sort, the Lord delights in the mutiplied peace of His servant. Again, you used this verse out of context and twisted it to mean something that it does not mean, say, or even hint at.
Just because a verse contains a word that seems to help prove your case doesn't mean anything. Try to prove something without understanding the context and the context will come back to bite you every time. A text without a context is a pretext.
Now, all this talk of envy and jealousness is really too much. Since when did pointing out the proverbial case of the pot calling the kettle black become a basis of envy? This is nothing more than an attempt to drag a big old, smelly red herring across the trail to divert the issue. Joyce Meyers is a heretic, not because of her dress or money, but because of her bad doctrine and false teaching. The lavish lifestyle is merely a symptom of the problem, not the actual problem.
Here's an interesting contradiction: if it is God's will that believers be financially blessed, and it is God's promise that they will be, then why not make the financial records of the ministry public - including how much she makes? Wouldn't that be nothing more than proof of what she is saying? And if those that believe what she says would not be jealous, why not show it all? Yet the accusations are that we have a problem when we point this out. It is the sure sign you have struck a nerve when, instead of an answered question, you receive an accusation. It speaks volumes.
Now, let's move to the final bit:
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Singling out only one part of the promise to Abraham is kinda like selecting which gifts of the Holy Spirit are in operation today, isn't it?
OK, I pointed out (in the scripture that you misused, BTW) what the promise of Abraham was. Please show me, with scripture in context, where financial prosperity is part of that promise, and how that is supposedly supposed to translate to believers. The gifts of the Spirit, and whether they are or are not in operation today is not an issue here. Again, please show me, with scripture in context, where financial prosperity is part of the promise God made to Abraham and how that translates to us.
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