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ORIGINAL: teacher1982

No, I didn't read the entire 39 pages. That would take days, plus I have problems reading a lot on the screen and sure can't print all this out.

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I still say that she helps more than she could ever hurt. And I stills say that there is no way that she sat down and planned out how to get rich - start teaching in her home, then small groups, sell cassette tapes, write books, grow and grow until she is traveling all over the world to places that I would never go (you couldn't pay me to go!) - do all of that with the end goal in her mind to become a millionaire??

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And would you live her life for what she has? Would you spend the first 18 years of your life being abused in every way by both parents so that when you get into your 50's you have money and a beautiful home? I wouldn't.

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I like to listen to her because she teaches practical, everyday life living.

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If she misses the Bible (in my view or in your view), I just ignore it like I do all other ministers, both on TV and in my local churches (or in between).

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I don't know the exact scriptures where she has missed the Word that has caused these types of comments from you all, and I guess I would know if I read the entire Forum, but that's an impossible task. If it were easier to print from the Forum, I would do so, but it prints one page at a time and each page uses about 3 pieces of paper. I don't know how to shorten the posts to print using less paper. Especially since so many posts quote former posts, so there is a whole lot of repeating.

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I did see the posts listing all her possessions and also the link showing where she and her children live. But she didn't steal any money to get any of this. I don't resent her having a salary. She sure works hard for it. I don't resent her husband and children having salaries. They work for them also.

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What I do resent is the congressmen and senators giving themselves raises every year and having the best healthcare in the land when I can't even get any after working for 40+ years. But that's another subject.

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BTW, most churches that I know give their pastor and family a house to live in (the parsonage), a salary, pay their medical insurance, sometimes even give them cars, pay for their travel when it's associated with church business, give them love offerings, huge presents at Christmas, on their birthdays, and on Pastor's Appreciation days, plus many other benefits. So if a congregation of 2000 can do all that, what's wrong with Joyce having what she has since she preaches to millions of people every year?

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I also respect the fact that she doesn't charge for her seminars.

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I saw Joyce on Larry King and he asked her if homosexuality is wrong and she didn't hesitate a second to say it is. I saw Larry ask Joel and a couple of other preachers and they hem-hawed around and was afraid to give a straight answer (no pun intended) out of fear of offending someone and maybe losing some offerings.

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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane

His truth - and not one "revealed" by a woman who dresses like a Las Vegas call girl.

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan

"Joyce Meyer says God has made her rich. Everything she has came from Him: the $10 million corporate jet, her husband's $107,000 silver-gray Mercedes sedan, her $2 million home and houses worth another $2 million for her four children — all blessings, she says, straight from the hand of God..."If you stay in your faith, you are going to get paid," Meyer told an audience in Detroit in September. "I'm living now in my reward."

Meyer is fond of nice things and is willing to spend for them. From an $11,000 French clock in the ministry's Fenton headquarters to a $105,000 Crownline boat docked behind her vacation home at Lake of the Ozarks, it's clear her tastes run more to Perrier than to tap water.

The building is decorated with religious paintings and sculptures, and quality furniture. Much of it, Meyer says, she selected herself.

A Jefferson County assessor's list offers a glimpse into the value of many of the items: a $19,000 pair of Dresden vases, six French crystal vases bought for $18,500, an $8,000 Dresden porcelain depicting the Nativity, two $5,800 curio cabinets, a $5,700 porcelain of the Crucifixion, a pair of German porcelain vases bought for $5,200.

The decor includes a $30,000 malachite round table, a $23,000 marble-topped antique commode, a $14,000 custom office bookcase, a $7,000 Stations of the Cross in Dresden porcelain, a $6,300 eagle sculpture on a pedestal, another eagle made of silver bought for $5,000, and numerous paintings purchased for $1,000 to $4,000 each.
Inside Meyer's private office suite sit a conference table and 18 chairs bought for $49,000. The woodwork in the offices of Meyer and her husband cost the ministry $44,000.

Meyer drives the ministry's 2002 Lexus SC sports car with a retractable top, valued at $53,000. Her son Dan, 25, drives the ministry's 2001 Lexus sedan, with a value of $46,000. Meyer's husband drives his Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan.

"My husband just likes cars," Meyer said. The Meyers keep the ministry's Canadair CL-600 Challenger jet, which Joyce Meyer says is worth $10 million, at Spirit of St. Louis Airport in Chesterfield. The ministry employs two full-time pilots to fly the Meyers to conferences around the world.

Security is important to Meyer, who says she has received death threats. She has a division of the ministry dedicated to her safety. Her officers wear pistols; they guard the headquarters' front gate, keeping out anyone but employees and invited guests.

The ministry bought a $145,000 house where the security chief lives rent-free to keep him close to the ministry's headquarters.

Since 1999, the ministry has spent at least $4 million on five homes for Meyer and her four children near Interstate 270 and Gravois Road, St. Louis County records show.

Meyer's house, the largest of the five, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom."

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ORIGINAL: lw9

Dear mom2jules:

No problem! WOF stands for 'Word of Faith' - also called 'Word Faith'. It encompasses a particular set of doctrines taught by various preachers. Here's a few basic WOF doctrines if you are not familar with them already:

1. Jesus failed on the cross: Jesus did not atone for sin on the cross but instead was dragged into hell, became sinful in nature, and was spiritually reborn in hell.

2. Men are gods: Jesus came to earth as a man and 'worked' his way into Godhood and became born again. Since men are also born again, they have the same potential as Christ and are actually little Christs and gods, equal to Christ and able to do what He did.

3. Faith: Faith is believed to be a source of supernatural power. This 'force of faith' can be used by believers to attain what they desire.

4. Positive confession: They are to speak words in 'faith' to accomplish their goals and their desires. These desires can be material goods, wealth, health, success... whatever they want.

5. God is obligated to do our will: God allegedly promises wealth, prosperity, health, and success to believers. Therefore God must obey His own Word by giving believers these things when asked. WOF followers are told not to ask, but to demand what they want from God. If believers are not attaining these things, they are considered to be lacking in their faith and the fault lies with them.

Joyce Meyers, most unfortunately, does fall under the Word of Faith category and that is what so many are addressing here.

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ORIGINAL: howling wind

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umm, source? please give the source where you are getting your info from.

Information can be found in these articles reprinted from the St. Louis Dispatch dated November 15, 17, and 18, 2003:

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer1.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer2.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer3.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer4.html

Other articles from the St. louis dispatch should she light on what a false prophet (profit?) Meyer's is:

http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer5.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer6.html
http://www.trinityfi.org/press/JoyceMeyer7.html

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ORIGINAL: teacher1982

I still say that she helps more than she could ever hurt.
I like to listen to her because she teaches practical, everyday life living. She's been there and overcame a whole lot with ONLY the help of Jesus. She never attended therapy (I'm not saying anything against therapy). She sought the Lord, prayed and prayed, read the Bible over and over, worked on herself by becoming the Christian woman that she wanted to be. It took years and years of work for her to get where she is now with the Lord. The riches you talk about are a by-product.

If she misses the Bible (in my view or in your view), I just ignore it like I do all other ministers, both on TV and in my local churches (or in between).

If anyone knows a way to eliminate the repeats (quotes), and print all this out using a whole lot less paper, let me know. I'll print this out and read it.

I don't resent her having a salary. She sure works hard for it. I don't resent her husband and children having salaries. They work for them also. What I do resent is the congressmen and senators giving themselves raises every year and having the best healthcare in the land when I can't even get any after working for 40+ years. But that's another subject.

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ORIGINAL: rawr.ben

It would be useful. Maybe someone can bring about a chunk of her quotes and teachings into one quick post, but that's a lot of work, too.

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...“Jesus went to hell for you”

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ORIGINAL: Nige55

I dearly hope there is a link / source to these quotes later in the thread. It's sad to read so many posts refering to a pasted article with no source or links in the early pages of this thread.

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ORIGINAL: Robin-again

Thank you Soxfan. Much appreciated.

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ORIGINAL: rawr.ben

Are you more sound in the Word of God because of her, or was it due to self-help type psycho-babble?

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan

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ORIGINAL: Nige55

I dearly hope there is a link / source to these quotes later in the thread. It's sad to read so many posts refering to a pasted article with no source or links in the early pages of this thread.

Her DOCUMENTED WOF teaching:

These are absurd to think that our words can kill a plan of an Almighty and Sovereign God. This is the height of arrogance to think that our words can kill what God wants to do?

-You know, I was listening to a set of tapes by one man and he explained it like this, and I think this kind of gets the point across, he said, ‘Why do people have such a fit about God calling His creation, His man—not His whole creation, but His man—little gods? If He’s God, what’s He going to call them but the god-kind?’ I mean, if you as a human being have a baby, you call it a human kind. If cattle has another cattle, they call it cattle-kind. So, I mean, what’s God supposed to call us? Doesn’t the Bible say we’re created in his image? Now, you understand I am not saying you are God with a capital G."
(Joyce Meyer, "Authority and Opposition," Tape 1236.)

- "Our words are containers of power. The power of life and death is in the tongue."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold?" TBN, May 24, 2004)


-"We can kill the plan of God for our lives with a negative confession."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")


-"I want to say it again, be sure you're not killing God's good plan for your life by letting negative words come out of our mouth all of the time. I believe that wrong words affect our health. I would go so far as to say that there are people here today that you may be sick in your body simply because of speaking wrong words, negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")


-"Say this with me, 'I will not kill God's good plan for my life by speaking negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")


-"I want us to think again for a minute in closing about this thing about making sure that we're not killing God's plan with negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")

-"If I speak death I'll eat death. If I speak life I'll eat life...I want you to say with me, 'I can destroy my life with my own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")


-"I believe that words are containers for power and they either carry negative or positive power. They carry creative or destructive power. So, if I'm speaking right things I'm going to have right results. And if I'm speaking wrong things I'm going to have wrong results. And we do pay for our words. If, if I can say it like this, we eat our own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")


-"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)


- "Our Words Are Containers of Power: "Words are very important, and we will be held responsible for them. Proverbs 18:21 says, Death and life are in the power of the tongue…What we say has the power to impact our lives and the lives of others in a negative or a positive way. That’s why we need to learn to think about what we’re going to say before we say it."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)


- "Did you know that you can change the very course of your life by the type of words you speak?"
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)


-"My teaching this weekend as usual is not going to be doctrinally religious. It's going to be something that you can use in your everyday life."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 1 of 4 the "Mind")


-"But you cannot throw out positive confession, and you cannot throw out all the faith teachers, and you cannot throw out positive thinking. And you cannot get rid of those kinds of things because they're in the Bible from one end of it to the other."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 6.


-"The faith movement is right. You can't throw the faith movement out the window."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 14.)


- "We need to have faith filled words going out of our mouth."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, pg. 14. Satan and Demons-Origin and Fall, side 2)


-"Giving doesn't cost, it pays!"
(Joyce Meyer, Daystar Spring Share-A-Thon, March 2, 2004)


-"Words are containers for power they carry creative or destructive power positive or negative power so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow.
(Joyce Meyer, audio-clip, "Bible Answer-man," Hank Hanegraaff, January, 2003)


-"Poverty is probably one of the most unique spirits to watch. You can watch a spirit of poverty take over an entire neighborhood...And almost always with a poverty spirit, comes a spirit that just stinks. I mean, a poverty spirit just plain stinks. When I get people at the altar that got a poverty spirit on them they almost always have bad breath and body odor."
(Joyce Meyer, PFO Quarterly Journal, April-June 2002, page 6)


-"You got a storage bin, a storage locker in heaven that has alot of stuff in it that needs to be claimed."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)


-"We need to claim as much of that inheritance as we possibly can...One of the things you can do right now is speak positive things about your future right now."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)

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ORIGINAL: fanatical

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I see that some people might envy her and/or dont believe her some are jalous couse of the money she makes with what she does out of the love and in honor for GOD, she spreads GODS LOVE all over the world and she diserves the money she earn and then seccond u people forget about all the good she does, im not talking about what she do with the money only but yea she doesnt keep it all for herself but she invest it for good purposes but aah THE DEVIL notice that shes doing great and shes all happy and so full of love and glory, so THE DEVIL has to spread hate and tell lies and blaim her for things she do NOT! its heartbreaking news for me, when i read everything that is bad towards Joyce meyer i feel deep inside of my heart a WORD that tells me to not listen to what u spread BAD about Joyce meyer allthought im not here to judge but all i speak is true and from the heart. may god bless you for i pray for you all, also to those who do bad.
she has been a great WORD of god, Manny thanks to our LORD GOD IN HEAVEN!

i have to appologize but u should be a shame of yourself, u deal with such anger against her

[:D]

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ORIGINAL: mysteryofgospel

TnTx,

I don't know if Joyce continued Paul's comments in 1 Corinthians 14 but he was minimizing the gift of speaking in tongues in the Corinthians letter.

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tongues is just another parlor trick