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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

I just looked at Joyce Meyer's website and in her "about us" section it talks about what they believe .I see nothing out of a normal christians belief. There is nothing in tehre that states Jesus went to hell , or anything that is not believed by most churches. It also has a financial accountability section to show where the money goes.
All I know is that she has helped me with my walk with God. So i guess in the long run that is what matters.

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I just looked at Joyce Meyer's website and in her "about us" section it talks about what they believe .I see nothing out of a normal christians belief. There is nothing in tehre that states Jesus went to hell , or anything that is not believed by most churches.

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ORIGINAL: lw9

Dear mom2jules:

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I just looked at Joyce Meyer's website and in her "about us" section it talks about what they believe .I see nothing out of a normal christians belief. There is nothing in tehre that states Jesus went to hell , or anything that is not believed by most churches.

In addition to Soxfan's answer: While the doctrinal statements on WOF websites might sound good - usually extremely short & without depth - it's not until you start reading the books, attending the conferences, and seeing the audio and video tapes [all of which must be purshased] that the true teachings come out.

I would like to give an example, if I might. On Creflo Dollar's site, it states Jesus is the Son of God. Ok... sounds good, and we know that short statement to be true. BUT when you listen to his definition of Jesus as the Son of God, he teaches that Jesus came to earth as a man and worked his way into godhood [C. Dollar Video: Jesus' growth into Sonship]. He further explains that ANYONE can do this and also become a god! Can you see the subtle lie mixed with a truth there? It's a very serious lie, because he's preaching a false Jesus Christ. While someone's doctrinal statements may sound good at first [Joyce Meyer included], you really have to dig deeper to learn how they are defining those statements. That's where you will come across the dangerous errors.

God bless you!

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ORIGINAL: Soxfan

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ORIGINAL: caur

So, what specifically are the false teachings of Joyce Meyer? What is your basis in scripture?

From Joyce Meyer's 1991 booklet The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, an evangelistic work aimed at nonbelievers, she resounds the Word-Faith view of Christ’s atonement:

"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there ... no plan was too extreme ... Jesus paid on the cross and in hell” (pg. 35,).

“God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, ‘Let Him go.’ Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus ... He was resurrected from the dead — the first born-again man” (pg. 36, underlining in the original).

“His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, ‘When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell’” (ibid.).

“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” (ibid.).

“Jesus went to hell for you” (pg. 38, underlining in the original).

Not only is that FALSE teaching, it undermines that very nature of Jesus' atonement on the Cross. If I recall, one of his last words on the cross was "IT IS FINISHED"
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"We need to claim as much of that inheritance as we possibly can...One of the things you can do right now is speak positive things about your future right now."
(Joyce Meyer, "What Does Your Future Hold" May 21, 2004)

"I want us to think again for a minute in closing about this thing about making sure that we're not killing God's plan with negative words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")

"If I speak death I'll eat death. If I speak life I'll eat life...I want you to say with me, 'I can destroy my life with my own words."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 2 of 4 the "Mouth")

This is absurd to think that our words can kill a plan of an Almighty and Sovereign God. Is this not the height of arrogance to think that our words can kill what God wants to do?

More priceless nuggets:

"When Jesus was experiencing the most intense pressure of His life, He decided that it would be wise not to open His mouth. Why? I believe it was because He realized that in His humanity, He would have been tempted to do the same thing you and I are tempted to do—doubt, question God, complain, or say something negative."
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Crossing Over to the Other Side" May 2004)

"Did you know that you can change the very course of your life by the type of words you speak?"
(Joyce Meyer, Enjoying Everyday Life Magazine, "Think before You Speak" May 2004)

"My teaching this weekend as usual is not going to be doctrinally religious. It's going to be something that you can use in your everyday life."
(Joyce Meyer, "Mind, Mouth, Moods, and Attitudes," tape 1 of 4 the "Mind")

"You know that if you send these offerings into the ministry your gonna help us to keep reaching out to hurting people all over the world. What you make happen for somebody else God will make happen for you. Sow a seed and God will meet your need."
(Joyce Meyer, "Enjoying Everyday Life," June 24, 2004)

"God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us," Meyer told a Detroit audience in September. "I should not have to work to try to support myself."
(Article on Joyce Meyer, 11/17/2003, St. Louis Post Dispatch)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

Joyce Meyer talks alot about negative thinking and how it affects our lives and shes right . I am guilty of that. SHe tries to show people that negative thinking is not what God wants us to do. I have depression and belive me the negative thoughts can overtake my day. So now when I haev a negative thought I do what she suggested and pray to God or repeat a verse in the bible. It really does help. They still come in my thoughts but at least now I talk to God . I didn't do that before.

The problem is she mixes some good mental health teaching with lousy theology. As was said above the majority of rat poison is inert, it's the small portion that is poison is what kills the rat.

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

Joyce Meyer talks alot about negative thinking and how it affects our lives and shes right . I am guilty of that. SHe tries to show people that negative thinking is not what God wants us to do. I have depression and belive me the negative thoughts can overtake my day. So now when I haev a negative thought I do what she suggested and pray to God or repeat a verse in the bible. It really does help. They still come in my thoughts but at least now I talk to God . I didn't do that before.

The problem is she mixes some good mental health teaching with lousy theology. As was said above the majority of rat poison is inert, it's the small portion that is poison is what kills the rat.

Well I like her. I think she tells it like it is, mixed with personal experience, humor, love of God and sincerity. And if that makes me a beter christian then what is wrong with that?

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ORIGINAL: Bro_Shane

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

Joyce Meyer talks alot about negative thinking and how it affects our lives and shes right . I am guilty of that. SHe tries to show people that negative thinking is not what God wants us to do. I have depression and belive me the negative thoughts can overtake my day. So now when I haev a negative thought I do what she suggested and pray to God or repeat a verse in the bible. It really does help. They still come in my thoughts but at least now I talk to God . I didn't do that before.

The problem is she mixes some good mental health teaching with lousy theology. As was said above the majority of rat poison is inert, it's the small portion that is poison is what kills the rat.

Well I like her. I think she tells it like it is, mixed with personal experience, humor, love of God and sincerity. And if that makes me a beter christian then what is wrong with that?

I honestly believe you want to be a good follower of God. That is commendable and it pleases the Lord. But there comes a time when you must ask yourself who you believe more, God or Joyce Meyer (or any other human preacher/teacher). I know you would emphatically answer "God!" But to be able to answer this honestly (and I am not accusing you of being a dishonest person) you have to place the highest faith in God and His written word. When anything comes into conflict with God's word it is error regardless of who or what it is. Joyce Meyer teaches some truth, but the lies that she mixes with it ruins the wole batch of teaching.

It is often a difficult step to take, especially when you feel close to someone for personal reasons. We've all had to make those decisions and they are rarely, if ever, easy. But you must decide what matters most - God's word or Joyce Meyer's words, because they are not the same. They may be similar, they may use some of the same words, but it is not the same.

I promise you, you will find more spiritual growth and be uplifted more than you could ever imagine when you get out from under the influence of the WOF movement. They are selling you, literally, a pack of false promises and feel-good theology that is in direct contradiction to God's word. You keep saying you like her, but that's not the issue. The issue is what is true teaching of the Gospel and what is not.

Please, prayerfully consider what you have seen and read of her teachings here and in your books. Look at any scripture she uses and investigate the context to see if it's not used correctly. I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm not asking you to trust me - trust God and His word, look it up, read it for yourself and the Spirit will guide you to truth.

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I have depression and belive me the negative thoughts can overtake my day. When I was little I was almost scared of Him, between my Grandmother and going to catholic school and hearing about purgatory...I was very scared.

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I think there are alot of Pators that will say things that some disagree with but if someone is saying the majority of the things that help me that is what I need.

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ORIGINAL: Rebecca128

God really uses the wo man to speak emotional healing into the
lives of many wounded people that have been hurt by "authority
figures". Thank God for His servants who speak for those who
cannot! That's real courage!
Rebecca

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

IW9, what is teh difference in going to church and listening to your priest or pastor speak and listening to Joyce meyer?

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ORIGINAL: mom2jules

IW9, what is teh difference in going to church and listening to your priest or pastor speak and listening to Joyce meyer? When we go to church we are there to hear God's word and lift up his name and feel good being there.

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ORIGINAL: caur
For those that delight in beating up on others, you would do well to remember Matthew 7 and take it to heart. Expose the falseness of the teaching with scripture but do yourself a favor and remember God's grace to you. I would not want to be in some of your shoes. If the teaching is false, fine, expose it. However, the person is loved by God, my brothers and sisters, remember that.

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IW9, what is teh difference in going to church and listening to your priest or pastor speak and listening to Joyce meyer?

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When we go to church we are there to hear God's word and lift up his name and feel good being there. I do feel that way when I watch her.

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ORIGINAL: lw9

Dear mom2jules:

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IW9, what is teh difference in going to church and listening to your priest or pastor speak and listening to Joyce meyer?

The difference is that my pastor is speaking the Word of God as found in the Holy Bible. He does not teach contrary to the Holy Bible. I know this because I have studied the Bible for myself and compared it to what my pastor teaches. Joyce Meyer speaks contrary to the Bible as has been proven through her quotes vs. scripture posted on this thread.

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When we go to church we are there to hear God's word and lift up his name and feel good being there. I do feel that way when I watch her.

But again, we are back to your feelings vs. God's Word. You may feel good watching her, but your emotions are not the gospel truth! I'm not saying you should feel bad, but feeling good is not a 'truth'. To use extreme examples: alcoholics, drug users, wiccans, and adulterers feel very good when they do what they do, so are they right to continue because it feels good? Emotions do not justify anything. We worship God in church, not our feelings, and when you make your feelings the focus, they WILL lead you astray every single time.

I cannot emphasize this enough: God's Word IS the Truth... not what I feel is right, or what seems to be right, or what I think is right... ONLY God's Word. Bottom line: Joyce Meyer contradicts God's Word, so she is not speaking God's Word. You are going to have to decide who/what is more important to you: God, or Joyce Meyer and your feelings.

Here are the warnings regarding false teachers from the Bible, and they need to be taken very seriously:

Rom 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naïve people.

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel – 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, no now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

2 Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

2 Pet 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.

Questions to consider: After reading these, do you believe that God tolerates false teachers? Do you believe God wants us to ignore His warnings and listen to false teachers anyway because we feel good or they seem to work? Do you believe God is okay with us listening to false teachers as long as we get what we want or get what we think we need?

Thank you for your response, and God bless you! P.S. We are not saying these things to hurt you, but because WE CARE ABOUT YOU!!

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I do love God and I am so glad that I finally believe with all my heart, but sometimes I just wish I could feel the passion that people on here feel and the passion I see with some preachers.

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ORIGINAL: lw9
Questions to consider: After reading these, do you believe that God tolerates false teachers? Do you believe God wants us to ignore His warnings and listen to false teachers anyway because we feel good or they seem to work? Do you believe God is okay with us listening to false teachers as long as we get what we want or get what we think we need?