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miracles? - 9/29/2009 7:31:52 AM
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keithyhuntington
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so do you think god is still in the miracle business? and if so, do you think he has a cut-off of his modern day miracles?
teh reason i ask, is i work for a ministry handling prayer requests in the office...
and i get some people wo want prayer for God to resurrect their departed loved ones.
or some 95 yr old who calls in with: arthritis, asthma, fibromialgia, cancer, paralyzed from the waist down, deaf, blind, mute, balding, with chronic diarhea, thyroid inbalance, ADD, ADHD, PTSS, PPD, ED, Alzhymers, dislexia, autism, tuourettes, and the list goes on... and they are wanting prayer for a total and complete physical, mental, and spiritual healing.
do you think god is in the business to work these miracle to their full 100% execution?
i believe in miracles. i do. i believe in a blind man seeing after prayer from the elders at church. or cancer being healed, or whataver... but a resurrection from death after your already at the funeral home, enbalmed, and for viewing?!?! or for the elderly person above to be healed so they can be competitive with the dallas cowboys on sunday afternoon?? i just these things arent out of god's control... but probably his care??
what say you?
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 8:21:19 AM
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Miracles happen every day - we're just too unwilling to believe in them.
Of course, God could perform the miracles you describe. Jesus did so when on earth - did He not?
Perhaps the reason He doesn't do so now is because we've lost that tiny grain of mustard seed called Faith.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 8:28:50 AM
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just to rephrase it... i know he CAN. i believe he CAN...
but should he? thats the question i wonder.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 12:09:35 PM
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There is a camp that thinks God HAS to do all these things - IF we believe hard enough or recite the right versese enough - or [fill in the blank] enough.
There is another camp that thinks God ceased doing all these things at the end of the first century.
What do they have in common? The idea that God has to fit into their box. Last check of the relavant scriptures told me that HE was too big to fit into manmade boxes.
Sure, He can and does heal people, including raising the dead. But these cases are not that common. Why? I do not know. I have been healed (broken arm, appendicitis) and have prayed for others to be healed and it happened. It is no where near 100%, more like 10%.
So I would just pray as asked and leave the door open for God to work. It is all according to HIS will anyway; and that is not for us to second guess.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 12:51:59 PM
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but should He (perform miracles)? thats the question I wonder.
Why should He? God is not one of Pavlov's dogs reacting to our every request.
He is God. We are not. We pray, we ask. And if it is His will then He can and He will perform miracles. And He does perform miracles every day.
Whether He should, or what kind of miracles He should perform is entirely up to Him. Jesus said that people will ask for miracles and signs before they can believe. And it's still the same today. Many of us just refuse to believe in Him and His omnipotence and power.
Because of man's technical and scientific advancements in almost every sphere of life, we think we know better.
So God sits back and watches us get it wrong.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 12:54:37 PM
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Why are these people asking for resurrections? Is it for their own selfish desires, or for God's glory?
James 4:2b-3: "You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures."
Yes, miracles can and do happen. However, often they don't either because of lack of faith or because of the selfish motives of those who ask.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 1:03:32 PM
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There is a camp that thinks God HAS to do all these things - IF we believe hard enough or recite the right versese enough - or [fill in the blank] enough.
There is another camp that thinks God ceased doing all these things at the end of the first century.
What do they have in common? The idea that God has to fit into their box. Last check of the relavant scriptures told me that HE was too big to fit into manmade boxes.
Sure, He can and does heal people, including raising the dead. But these cases are not that common. Why? I do not know. I have been healed (broken arm, appendicitis) and have prayed for others to be healed and it happened. It is no where near 100%, more like 10%.
So I would just pray as asked and leave the door open for God to work. It is all according to HIS will anyway; and that is not for us to second guess.
Hey, If you are getting anywhere near 10% I'd say keep it up... it is working better for you than for most of us.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 1:09:24 PM
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Yes, God is still in the miracle business - He is God after all and has this pretty great thing that He does. He kind of likes to stick His nose into creation and do things! And it is not an issue of working up enough faith and then squeeze it out into making a mi9racle happen either. I believe that the reason we don't see miracles more often is because we don't have the degree of risk in our padded and insular lives. Even the smallest bit of faith becomes gigantic when you face very real threats of physical harm and yet you still pursue God's will because He is all yopu have in this life, there is no where else to turn! But it is in God's very nature to perform miracles, including salvation and He can not deny Himself.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 1:19:46 PM
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so do you think god is still in the miracle business?
Yes I do believe He does. Not only have I received many miracles and some I didn't even ask for. I've also seen Him do and give others miracles in their lives as well.
I agree with others it has to do with the intent of their hearts in essence toward's the Will of God.
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 2:46:38 PM
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i know he CAN. i believe he CAN...
but should he? thats the question i wonder.
Why would God not want to? Isn't God glorified in all great things done in his name?
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Yes, miracles can and do happen. However, often they don't either because of lack of faith or because of the selfish motives of those who ask
In referring to the 'selfish motives' here, I believe this, along with the will of God argument is way overblown within Christianity, to the point of completely watering down and stripping prayer of all power.
If we ask ourselves if the following prayers were selfish, I'd bet most would say yes:
To ask God for 10 more years to live, after God had determined (his will?), that they would die.
To ask God to heal her blood? Mark 5, or any other healing of the body.
The prayer of Jabez?
These supposedly selfish prayers were all granted by our loving father. I like what Bruce Wilkinson said about selfish prayers as he struggled with this for years. He asked how can it be possible that a prayer is selfish if it does not hurt someone in the fulfillment of it?
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RE: miracles? - 9/29/2009 3:33:18 PM
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John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind
John 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Just a couple of thoughts;
If heaven is half the place I have been lead to believe it is, no one there would opt to come back here…
Sometimes God chooses “perfect” healing anything this side of death is temporal healing.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 12:16:46 AM
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thanks for teh input :) just to clarify, i have not been faced with either situation i listed.... i made them both up. i just thought of some uncommon situations and wondered what you all thought about it IF i were to encounter those.
i'm a fan of praying for god's will be done. if i lose my job, i wont pray "god, please get my job with smith corporation back." i pray "god you are holy and righteus and all knowing, please work in my life and open whatever doors need be opened. weather its a call back at smith corp. or working at mcdonalds."
and with healing i feel the same. God's will be done... not MY will be done. if my wife is dying i would pray his will be done... because he may use the situation in her death for far greater purposes than a miracle for her to be healed.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 8:57:02 AM
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Most definitely miracles are still be done by God. Faith is an important part. But God blesses us in spite of our lack of faith.
Also, how can one say what is or what is not a miracle? If one goes to the hospital for surgery and comes out alive and well, one might say that that was a miracle. Perhaps, as others have noted, we do not see miracles because we are not looking with the right perspective.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 2:23:03 PM
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Why are these people asking for resurrections? Is it for their own selfish desires, or for God's glory?
James 4:2b-3: "You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures."
Yes, miracles can and do happen. However, often they don't either because of lack of faith or because of the selfish motives of those who ask.
Yes, good point.
Even when Jesus raised Lazarus...it was so that the people there would believe.
40Then Jesus said, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the glory of God?"
41So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."
So maybe MVIC is right when he said that maybe we don't see these types of miracles, that we don't because we have lost faith that He can still do them.
I was just watching the 700 club the other day, and they had on Heidi Baker. She and her husband have a ministry in Mozambique. She talked of people being raised from the dead over there at the prayers of young children. She talked of the blind seeing, the crippled walking, and the sick being healed.
So is God still in the business of miracles...you bet He is.
Why don't we see it? Maybe because we are not poor in spirit. Maybe because our faith is so watered down, and weakened by our own prosperity. Maybe because we turn to Doctors before we turn to the great Physician.
It could be many reasons...but in my mind, I know He is still in the miracle business. The fact that I sit here typing these words proves it. I should be dead. I should have been dead years ago. My Doctor told me so. Yet here I am. Because He still is in the business of miracles.
Praise His Holy name that he is still in the miracle business.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 2:38:23 PM
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It could be many reasons...but in my mind, I know He is still in the miracle business. The fact that I sit here typing these words proves it. I should be dead. I should have been dead years ago. My Doctor told me so. Yet here I am. Because He still is in the business of miracles.
Praise His Holy name that he is still in the miracle business.
Yes, SavedbyGraceMD, Praise His Holy name that He is still in the miracle business, or I would not be sitting here typing my response!
I often wonder if we are supposed to pray for anything other than God's will? It seems that there are examples of prayers that were answered, but was it because it was already God's will or because the person had enough faith, etc.? I don't have the answer to that, but I often wonder as well.
I didn't pray for my healing, but my mother suffers from the same disease(s) and prayed for healing for years but never received it. I don't know why it was God's will for me to be healed and not her, but I sure am glad He did, although sometimes I feel guilty around her.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 2:47:49 PM
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It could be many reasons...but in my mind, I know He is still in the miracle business. The fact that I sit here typing these words proves it. I should be dead. I should have been dead years ago. My Doctor told me so. Yet here I am. Because He still is in the business of miracles.
Praise His Holy name that he is still in the miracle business.
Yes, SavedbyGraceMD, Praise His Holy name that He is still in the miracle business, or I would not be sitting here typing my response!
I often wonder if we are supposed to pray for anything other than God's will? It seems that there are examples of prayers that were answered, but was it because it was already God's will or because the person had enough faith, etc.? I don't have the answer to that, but I often wonder as well.
I didn't pray for my healing, but my mother suffers from the same disease(s) and prayed for healing for years but never received it. I don't know why it was God's will for me to be healed and not her, but I sure am glad He did, although sometimes I feel guilty around her.
This is a good point...I don't know why things happen either. Why some are healed and others are not. I know all things happen for the good of those He loves. Sometimes, most of the times we don't see it that way. But I take Him at His word...and if this life ends tomorrow, I know the glory that awaits me on the other side. So I don't worry about that.
But I believe all that happens to us, all answered or unanswered prayers, are for us to learn something from. Then we need to pass on what we learned to others. So praise Him that you are healed...and pray that your Mom will be healed also. If not in life, then in death...when all pain, fear, tears and sorrow will be no more.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 2:51:54 PM
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It could be many reasons...but in my mind, I know He is still in the miracle business. The fact that I sit here typing these words proves it. I should be dead. I should have been dead years ago. My Doctor told me so. Yet here I am. Because He still is in the business of miracles.
Praise His Holy name that he is still in the miracle business.
Yes, SavedbyGraceMD, Praise His Holy name that He is still in the miracle business, or I would not be sitting here typing my response!
I often wonder if we are supposed to pray for anything other than God's will? It seems that there are examples of prayers that were answered, but was it because it was already God's will or because the person had enough faith, etc.? I don't have the answer to that, but I often wonder as well.
I didn't pray for my healing, but my mother suffers from the same disease(s) and prayed for healing for years but never received it. I don't know why it was God's will for me to be healed and not her, but I sure am glad He did, although sometimes I feel guilty around her.
This is a good point...I don't know why things happen either. Why some are healed and others are not. I know all things happen for the good of those He loves. Sometimes, most of the times we don't see it that way. But I take Him at His word...and if this life ends tomorrow, I know the glory that awaits me on the other side. So I don't worry about that.
But I believe all that happens to us, all answered or unanswered prayers, are for us to learn something from. Then we need to pass on what we learned to others. So praise Him that you are healed...and pray that your Mom will be healed also. If not in life, then in death...when all pain, fear, tears and sorrow will be no more.
And when we believers will all meet... and those who we already know, who have gone before us -- we'll meet them again. What a sweet, wonderful thing!! 
Ultimately, that's what the miracles are about ---> they point to God, who is the only One who can do them.... so that people believe what He says in Isaiah 45:5.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 2:55:43 PM
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It could be many reasons...but in my mind, I know He is still in the miracle business. The fact that I sit here typing these words proves it. I should be dead. I should have been dead years ago. My Doctor told me so. Yet here I am. Because He still is in the business of miracles.
Praise His Holy name that he is still in the miracle business.
Yes, SavedbyGraceMD, Praise His Holy name that He is still in the miracle business, or I would not be sitting here typing my response!
I often wonder if we are supposed to pray for anything other than God's will? It seems that there are examples of prayers that were answered, but was it because it was already God's will or because the person had enough faith, etc.? I don't have the answer to that, but I often wonder as well.
I didn't pray for my healing, but my mother suffers from the same disease(s) and prayed for healing for years but never received it. I don't know why it was God's will for me to be healed and not her, but I sure am glad He did, although sometimes I feel guilty around her.
This is a good point...I don't know why things happen either. Why some are healed and others are not. I know all things happen for the good of those He loves. Sometimes, most of the times we don't see it that way. But I take Him at His word...and if this life ends tomorrow, I know the glory that awaits me on the other side. So I don't worry about that.
But I believe all that happens to us, all answered or unanswered prayers, are for us to learn something from. Then we need to pass on what we learned to others. So praise Him that you are healed...and pray that your Mom will be healed also. If not in life, then in death...when all pain, fear, tears and sorrow will be no more.
And when we believers will all meet... and those who we already know, who have gone before us -- we'll meet them again. What a sweet, wonderful thing!!
Ultimately, that's what the miracles are about ---> they point to God, who is the only One who can do them.... so that people believe what He says in Isaiah 45:5.
Amen.
Honestly...can we really expect a greater miracle than the one He has already performed. As a loving Father, He does want to provide for us. As a loving Father He does want to heal us. But I can't ask for more than He has already done for me. One day..when I breathe my last...I will step into His presence...into heaven...instead of joining the long, long line that will enter through the gates of hell.
Sounds like a miracle to me.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 3:09:29 PM
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God definitely still does miracles today.
Dh, myself and our children have been healed of various things. Also, both dh and I have been delivered from certain strongholds that were in our lives...there are other things that have happened to me which I believe are miracles...so yes, I have seen God in action in my life and the lives of those dearest to me...
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 3:51:38 PM
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we just went though 40 days of prayer fasting .You spend time with God he will turn up .In fact he is there its often us not coming to him . Jesus is such a great man he was also showing the 12 about miracles . They had the same questions we had . Hay look at Peter he gave it go he walked on water then he lost it a bit and Jesus pulled him up. MIRACLES happen today and there are reports of people raising from the dead . Why should God even look at western world we have 90% of the worlds money or close to this . We run to running water ,electricity . when we are sick Doctors and helicopters can get us down from ski fields . He is here he loves us he can help us found our car park and you don't have to dial the toll free minister for you to start praying . ( sorry i feel we cant really moan in the Western world ) opps got to go there is a sale on down@ the mall what a miracle that toaster what i have always wanted.
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 6:15:55 PM
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So maybe MVIC is right when he said that maybe we don't see these types of miracles, that we don't because we have lost faith that He can still do them.
This is an issue I feel very strongly about. Many in the modern sophisticated world claim to have Faith but in reality we don't. Or our Faith is so weak and watered down that it is non-existant. And that's why we don't see miracles. Because we're too blind to see.
I felt so strongly about this that I made it the central point of my book. What is the point of saying we have Faith if we don't know what it means?
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RE: miracles? - 9/30/2009 6:32:02 PM
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The greatest miracle God performs is salvation, and that is one He is willing to perform at any time at the drop of a hat for anyone who asks. As for healing or resurrections, it is a matter of His will being done. When we ask, we must ask with pure motives and for pure reasons, not personal ones. But yes, I think He does still perform miracles great and small, because He wants us to demonstrate how great His love is for us. But sometimes he allows things to happen as a result of either sin or for a matter of our growth. Some of the things that you ask about are a result of sin, or even living unwisely outside of His council. Other things He will allow because there is an area He is trying to perfect in us.
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RE: miracles? - 10/1/2009 12:18:45 AM
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I was just watching the 700 club the other day, and they had on Heidi Baker. She and her husband have a ministry in Mozambique. She talked of people being raised from the dead over there at the prayers of young children. She talked of the blind seeing, the crippled walking, and the sick being healed.
So is God still in the business of miracles...you bet He is.
i'm probably humanizing god, but i find it perfectly acceptable to pray for resurrection if your child or whoever just dies. pray for resurrection. yes. your ina wreck and you check your wifes pulse, you got nothing. pray for miracle. and believe, and if you have enough faith... sure... god will intervene.
but i find it looney toons to pray for resurrection after your loved one is in the funeral home, already has all their organs shipped off for donars, and has a body full of fermaldahyde... to me (in my thinking) these people are just gone beyond gone. and God really has no reason to resurrect them when he had a bazillion oppurtunities before the body got to this state or rest.
so heres anotehr question... whoever reads this and wants to answer... would YOU find it looney toons to pray with someone for the resurrection of someone who has already been fermaldahyded, organs doned, and prepared for casket viewing? (i know i'm making up this situation... but i jusst wanna know what you all think) i just kinda feel its a lost cause... not that god CAN'T do it... but that is borderline zombie... he just SHOULDN'T do it, IMO. lol.
forgive me for being some-what dark here... but main point im trying to figure out is, is there a point and place where god SHOULD NOT do a miracle... regardless of our praying and faith? i guess thats what i want to know what you guys think of. he can... but SHOULD he?
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RE: miracles? - 10/1/2009 3:32:31 PM
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just to rephrase it... i know he CAN. i believe he CAN...
but should he? thats the question i wonder.
Acts 13:38-39
38 Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man Jesus forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, 39 and through him every one that believes is free from everything from which you could not be free by the law of Moses.
Supernatural Miracle Healing
Acts 8:14-17
14 The apostles in Jerusalem heard that the people of Samaria had received the word of God, so they sent Peter and John to them. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the believers that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For the Holy Spirit had not yet come down on any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
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Welcome friends in the mighty name of Jesus Christ, may his Holy Spirit be increased in you and upon you as you read. If you are a strong believer who has never experienced the tangible power of the Holy Spirit, fear not! It happened in the early church as well. In this event discussed in Acts 8 above it is clear that these from Samaria had faith. It had nothing to do with their unbelief; it had to do with their understanding and God's timing. Notice that in Acts 8:16 above the scripture makes it clear they believed, even to the point of being baptized in water in the name of the Lord Jesus. But even so, these mentioned in Acts 8 had not yet experienced the tangible power of God's Holy Spirit.
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http://sites.google.com/site/pointprophetic/miracle-healing-power-the-holy-supernatural
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