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restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/28/2008 10:04:01 PM
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OneJohn410
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Knowing how legalities can be, the ruling to strike gender from public restrooms in Colorado is probably quite lengthy. The more I think about this, the less I want to know. So what happens next, privately owned restroom facilities start appearing everywhere as legitimate businesses?
Anyone out there, especially from Colorado, have any insight on this?
Here's a link to what James Dobson had to say about it.
[link=http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/press/pressreleases/A000001170.cfm?eafref=1[/link]
More and more, we should all get along and be one big happy family.  I feel yet another migraine coming on. Thanks, CO legislature.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/28/2008 10:45:20 PM
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Zhi
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The deal is more that they're trying to make it so that transgenders can decide which bathroom they belong in.
That being said, still icky.
At least women get stalls.
I imagine that eventually the Muslims will get upset about it and then the liberals will be confused and therefore at a standstill.
This has been surprisingly underreported by the Denver TV news, imho.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 10:36:22 AM
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The deal is more that they're trying to make it so that transgenders can decide which bathroom they belong in.
I could not care less that these freaks are confused as to where to go to relieve themselves. From now on, whenever my family is out in public here in Denver and my youngest daughter needs to use the restroom, i will stand outside of the door and if i suspect that one of these "it's" try's to enter i will assure them that they are choosing the wrong restroom. Their "rights" end where my daughters innocence begins. As far as it being under reported here, except for one or two local christian stations, i would say it has been non-reported.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 11:11:06 AM
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Zhi
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Honestly I'm more concerned about locker rooms. Women get bathroom stalls, offering us some level of privacy still. But, as far as I can tell, a teenage boy can claim transgender to get access to the girls' locker room at school, and "peeping toms" may not be prosecutable anymore. Chalk up another reason for me to never let my daughter set foot in a public school. *sigh*
I've heard stuff on news radio about it, but I have seen nothing whatsoever on the TV news.
The GLBT supporters claim that this isn't the case, that what the bill "means" is restaurants, malls, movie theaters, etc. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, as I have never in my life heard about anyone being denied patronage due to their sexual orientation (and how would you tell, anyway?) anywhere, much less here in Denver. So, you have to ask what the intent was here.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 11:28:30 AM
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I have seen the one-restroom-for-all in a service station/convenience store setting, and just considered that as being the ultimate in cheap convenience. One restroom to stock with supplies (if you are lucky), and only one to clean (if you are lucky, or if an inspection is expected soon for the food bar). As commented, though, I had no idea that there was consideration being done toward large restrooms, or even more expansive locations designated for public privacy. This will become a complete nightmare for legislators, and then for sign-making companies, wording up signs for whose restroom is whose, and then signs cautioning potential users what to possibly expect- followed by the whole thing in Braille(?) for the unsuspecting blind person. I don't know how long such a decision can last- and if this feeds the lawsuit fire for neighboring states to have to comply or face litigation? That's what I guess I will have to research- if this will stop at a state line, or has the potential to go nationwide. I would expect that this kind of thing will not happen in the southern states. As HisFish suggested, daddies will be outside the door with Smith and Wesson and Colt and Luger and handing out religious flyers and preaching while blocking the door.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 11:56:36 AM
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I can't help but note the irony that this thread was posted by someone with the screen name 'OneJohn'.
Coincidence? I think not.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 11:59:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
I can't help but note the irony that this thread was posted by someone with the screen name 'OneJohn'.
Coincidence? I think not.
LOL, I missed that!
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 4:39:41 PM
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Dobson gives me migraines, also. He has engaged in histrionics over this legislation. See what it really says.
What does it really say? I'm too tired to read and think for myself and I can't seem to find where Dobson tells me what to think about it anyway. ; )
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 5:12:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: rlj
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Dobson gives me migraines, also. He has engaged in histrionics over this legislation. See what it really says.
What does it really say? I'm too tired to read and think for myself and I can't seem to find where Dobson tells me what to think about it anyway. ; )
It basically adds "sexual orientation" to the antidiscrimination legislation. Private clubs and religious organizations are generally exempt.
Excerpt:"PLACE OF PUBLIC
ACCOMMODATION" SHALL NOT INCLUDE A CHURCH, SYNAGOGUE, MOSQUE,
OR OTHER PLACE THAT IS PRINCIPALLY USED FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES.
(2) It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly
or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group,
because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital
status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the
goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a
place of public accommodation or, directly or indirectly, to publish,
circulate, issue, display, post, or mail any written, ELECTRONIC, or printed
communication, notice, or advertisement which THAT indicates that the full
and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges,
advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation will
be refused, withheld from, or denied an individual or that an individual's
patronage or presence at a place of public accommodation is unwelcome,
objectionable, unacceptable, or undesirable because of disability, race,
creed, color, sex, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status, national origin, or
ancestry.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 5:34:53 PM
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Well if Dr. Dobson wants to wait outside while his grandkids use the One John that is his business. If it means what he is saying than I can follow my 3 year old into the restroom when I'm out with her by myself. That always gives me the heebee jebee's when I would let my 3 year old use the women's restroom by herself. : /
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/29/2008 5:45:50 PM
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Zhi
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If it means what he is saying than I can follow my 3 year old into the restroom when I'm out with her by myself.
I think you would have to declare yourself transgender to do that though. >.> <.<
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/30/2008 1:19:33 AM
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He-he-he! You are a real hoot. Thanks for your insightfulness to the subject. You must have received a swirly at a young age and now see toilets in everything. Next time I need your insightful intellect, I'll call the water treatment plant.
Actually, the screen name has some numbers too, and with even a little brainpower one can see 1John4:10.
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
I can't help but note the irony that this thread was posted by someone with the screen name 'OneJohn'.
Coincidence? I think not.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/30/2008 1:29:33 AM
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OneJohn410
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: rlj
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Dobson gives me migraines, also. He has engaged in histrionics over this legislation. See what it really says.
What does it really say? I'm too tired to read and think for myself and I can't seem to find where Dobson tells me what to think about it anyway. ; )
It basically adds "sexual orientation" to the antidiscrimination legislation. Private clubs and religious organizations are generally exempt.
Excerpt:"PLACE OF PUBLIC
ACCOMMODATION" SHALL NOT INCLUDE A CHURCH, SYNAGOGUE, MOSQUE,
OR OTHER PLACE THAT IS PRINCIPALLY USED FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES.
(2) It is a discriminatory practice and unlawful for a person, directly
or indirectly, to refuse, withhold from, or deny to an individual or a group,
because of disability, race, creed, color, sex, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital
status, national origin, or ancestry, the full and equal enjoyment of the
goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of a
place of public accommodation or, directly or indirectly, to publish,
circulate, issue, display, post, or mail any written, ELECTRONIC, or printed
communication, notice, or advertisement which THAT indicates that the full
and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges,
advantages, or accommodations of a place of public accommodation will
be refused, withheld from, or denied an individual or that an individual's
patronage or presence at a place of public accommodation is unwelcome,
objectionable, unacceptable, or undesirable because of disability, race,
creed, color, sex, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status, national origin, or
ancestry.
Thanks for the link. This is just a small portion of the 20 or so pages of the act that was passed. Us common folk are taught to never write huge sentences with lots of commas, and now we see why. That privilege is reserved for state legislators, to be able to hide whatever they, want, inside, the, piece of, legistlation that, is to be, voted on. Even in Colorado.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/30/2008 1:42:40 AM
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Yes, you are tired and can't think. The thing of it is, what you are racing around addressing, is what restroom an action like that takes place in. The restroom with the woman icon on the door, or the man, or will there be a whole new batch of signs made up. I guess it's a good thing you aren't thinking tonight, or I'd have six or seven posts from you all to try to complete one basic message. It's not just you and your daughter, either. This whole thing applies to the entire state, so to make it sound like nothing has happened, in your state of tiredness and inability to read and think, in just two posts. Wow! Call Guiness! A new record for the post hack!
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Well if Dr. Dobson wants to wait outside while his grandkids use the One John that is his business. If it means what he is saying than I can follow my 3 year old into the restroom when I'm out with her by myself. That always gives me the heebee jebee's when I would let my 3 year old use the women's restroom by herself. : /
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/30/2008 7:59:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: OneJohn410
Knowing how legalities can be, the ruling to strike gender from public restrooms in Colorado is probably quite lengthy. The more I think about this, the less I want to know. So what happens next, privately owned restroom facilities start appearing everywhere as legitimate businesses?
Anyone out there, especially from Colorado, have any insight on this?
Here's a link to what James Dobson had to say about it.
[link=http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/press/pressreleases/A000001170.cfm?eafref=1[/link]
More and more, we should all get along and be one big happy family. I feel yet another migraine coming on. Thanks, CO legislature.
OneJohn410
Next time post the link using the "link" button located above the reply form. Saves us lazy people the task of cutting and pasting. 
BTW, I don't think Jack (Jhud) meant it as a personal insult so no need to get so defensive. He was just trying to interject some humor and I think he did a bang up job of that!
How did these people of confused gender get so much political clout in a pro-gun state like CO? People really need to vote more!
< Message edited by mapachito13 -- 7/30/2008 8:06:01 AM >
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/31/2008 7:41:39 AM
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OneJohn I still don't understand your response. :P This topic does interest me and unfortunately your link tells me diddly/squat about it. Given a few days I'll look into it more myself.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/31/2008 8:38:26 AM
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Dobson gives me migraines, also. He has engaged in histrionics over this legislation. See what it really says.
So then where does all the fuss come from? Is it that I'm just not grasping the full scope of what this legislation entails, or are Dobson et al reading more into this than there really is?
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/31/2008 12:16:13 PM
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check out section 6, subparagraph 1 (or however these things are described) at the top of page 6 of Cow451's link. I think that is where the beef is of Dobson and Company's concern.
Sexual orientation in Colorado has taken on a person's orientation toward heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgender status or another person's perception thereof. That's on page 2.
It all points to a business needing to provide the same opportunities for all, or face being fined for it, at first more critical read. No more male and female restrooms and that's it. There's got to be acceptance for whatever orientation someone feels on a given day? This isn't a I'm right, you are wrong thing, but a what really happened here thing, and what could that mean for the rest of the country? I'm not seeking to diss Colorado, just look at what has happened. This steps away from Christianity and becomes a citizenship in the USA observation. How much acceptance is our world commanded to take on, and what happens when it runs into God's Word is likely being addressed by Dobson- to the extreme maybe, but what if there's no forward thnking on this?
Oh, it's okay honey, that's just a man that likes to play dress up and use the ladies room when he's in the mood, or doesn't know who he is from one day to the next. See? How does mom explain such to her daughter, and on and on... . How is mom to respond if she does not perceive this man in the dress to be a true transgendered person but someone else entirely? That's what I'm talking about, RLJ, and it's not anything joyful or appeasing to talk about, and when do things stop being with liberty and equality for all, including whatever other orientations come along? Have they all been defined now, or is there still more to be written in later? Is law going to push people to breaking points no matter their religion or conscience?
I didn't hear a thing about this until it was a done deal. Now I'm wondering what will happen next- if this will spread, and others push to have similiar rights?
Right, only One knows.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/31/2008 4:27:42 PM
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One John - thanks for the heads up on the bill letting me know where at in it I can find the worst of it. I agree with you on your assessment. The Dobson link though told me nothing except Dobson's final analysis with nothing else to support why he arrived at it.
Hopefully this part of the legislation makes it up through the courts and it's almost enough to make me reconsider McCain in November.
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RE: restrooms lose gender in Colorado - 7/31/2008 4:47:18 PM
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How does this prevent a pervert from claiming he is a woman and has the right to use the womans locker rooms at the spa.
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