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scripture on satan...question - 9/3/2008 2:45:31 PM
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faithwalkingmom
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I have always been told that satan can't be everywhere at once like God can and that satan and his demons can't read our thougths. That is why we must speak out loud when we are commanding demons to flee.
Question....Where in the Bible does it say such things?
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/3/2008 3:10:57 PM
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I have always been told that satan can't be everywhere at once like God can and that satan and his demons can't read our thougths. That is why we must speak out loud when we are commanding demons to flee.
Question....Where in the Bible does it say such things?
There are some Christians who believe they not only have the authority to rebuke the devil, but they believe they must be about the business of rebuking him continually. There is no biblical basis for such a belief.
It must be remembered that Satan, unlike God, is not omnipresent. He can only be in one place at a time, and the likelihood of his personally harassing individual Christians is minuscule.
Of course, he has legions of demons who do his bidding, and they are everywhere seeking to destroy believers’ testimonies. It should be noted here that the Christian cannot be possessed by a demon, in the same way people in the Bible are described as being possessed.
As Christians, we need to be aware of the reality of the presence of evil. As we struggle to stand firm in our faith, we must realize that the enemies we are up against are not merely human ideas, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" Ephesians 6:12.
Clearly, God has allowed Satan significant amounts of power and influence over the earth, at least for the time being, and always within God’s sovereign control.
The Bible tells us that he prowls around like a lion in search of prey, looking for victims to devour (1 Peter 5:8). Satan is the power at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God (Ephesians 2:2). Anyone who is not under the control of the sovereign God is under the control of the devil (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4).
Born-again Christians are no longer enslaved to Satan or to sin (Romans 6:6-7), but this does not mean we are immune to the temptations that he puts before us.
The Bible does not give Christians the authority to rebuke the Devil, but to resist him. James 4:7 says to "submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
Zechariah 3:2 tells us that it is the Lord who rebukes Satan. Even Michael, one of the most powerful of the angels, did not dare to accuse Satan, but rather said, "The Lord rebuke you" (Jude 1:9).
In response to Satan's attacks, a Christian should hide under the covering of Christ. Instead of focusing on defeating the devil, we should focus on following Christ (Hebrews 12:2) and trust that He will defeat the forces of evil.
It is not necessary for a Christian to rebuke Satan because God has given us His full armor to stand against evil (Ephesians 6:10-18).
The most effective weapons we have against the devil are our faith, wisdom, and knowledge about God and His Word. Even Christ, when tempted by Satan, did not rebuke him but answered him with Scripture (Matthew 4:1-11).
To gain victory in spiritual matters, we must maintain a clear conscience and have control over our thoughts. "For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world.
On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:3-5).
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/3/2008 3:47:12 PM
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what he (earthless) says.  LL
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/4/2008 6:56:31 AM
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A very good response, Earthless... however, you didn't answer the question posed by the OP. I believe we are specifically looking for verses that say that Satan is not Omnipresent. However, you won't find such verses because they aren't there. I think really the only argument to support the claim is purely philosophical. Namely, the idea that two infinite beings cannot exist in the same space. While it is mostly philosophical, that's the only real argument to support it.
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/4/2008 7:51:18 AM
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scripture on satan...question
Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
This doesn't sound like omni-present.
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
If angels are hesitant to "command" demons, maybe we should give it a second thought.
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/4/2008 8:02:12 AM
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Demons and fallen angels are described differently in scripture so we should not assume they are the same beings. The Jude verse is an angel not commanding another (fallen) angel.
I agree with most of what Earthless wrote with the exception of the issue of believers not being demonized. I have seen too many examples otherwise to be on-board with that idea.
No - we do not have a lot of scripture on what the devil, his fallen angels and demons can and cannot do.
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/4/2008 9:28:40 AM
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The Bible does not give Christians the authority to rebuke the Devil, but to resist him. James 4:7 says to "submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
I would disagree with you a bit on this one earthless.
We are not to bring "Railing accusations" against the devil, but to rebuke in the Name of the Lord seems to be exampled here;
(Jud 1:8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
(Jud 1:9) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Might be trying to disect a frog's hair, but I do think it should be memtioned.
What I do see as not in line with Scripture is the WOF attitude of dissing and demeaning the devil with claims such as "Take this Smutface, you have no power anyl onger". I disagree strongly that the devil has no poser at the present time as I deal with the aftermath of this power all the time with folks who have borken lives, additions, etc.
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/4/2008 10:38:14 AM
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I have always been told that satan can't be everywhere at once like God can and that satan and his demons can't read our thougths. That is why we must speak out loud when we are commanding demons to flee.
Question....Where in the Bible does it say such things?
Unless Satan is described as having these powers there is no reason to believe he can be everywhere and can read our minds.
But i think we can rebuke him since in Luke 10 and Mark 16 , Jesus gave his disciples the power to tread upon snakes and scorpions which represent demons. We are told that the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater the John the Baptist who was greater then these disciples therefore i believe we have this authority.
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/5/2008 10:36:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: faithwalkingmom
I have always been told that satan can't be everywhere at once like God can and that satan and his demons can't read our thougths. That is why we must speak out loud when we are commanding demons to flee.
Question....Where in the Bible does it say such things?
It doesn't. While it is true that Satan and the demons are not omnipresent or omniscient. Most of what is taught today about casting out demons is superstition and people trying to make a buck.
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RE: scripture on satan...question - 9/5/2008 11:28:02 AM
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The Bible does not give Christians the authority to rebuke the Devil, but to resist him. James 4:7 says to "submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
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I would disagree with you a bit on this one earthless.
We are not to bring "Railing accusations" against the devil, but to rebuke in the Name of the Lord seems to be exampled here;
(Jud 1:8) Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
(Jud 1:9) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Might be trying to dissect a frog's hair, but I do think it should be mentioned.
What I do see as not in line with Scripture is the WOF attitude of dissing and demeaning the devil with claims such as "Take this Smutface, you have no power any longer". I disagree strongly that the devil has no power at the present time as I deal with the aftermath of this power all the time with folks who have broken lives, additions, etc.
Thanks
RC
That last bit is what I think Earthless means. There is no evidence in scripture every little thing that happens we are to rebuke the devil. Get a hangnail rebuke the devil. Spill some milk, rebuke the devil. etc.
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